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Thanks so much! :D
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Hey! Me again. I was just wondering how the case was going? :D
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Work has been suspended due to me making a competition entry.

But it won't take for too long, since I've restricted myself to making only first part of that entry before releasing first part of Confessed.
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Re: [T]Angela Light: Ace Attorney ☆○○○○ [Case 1 REVAMP]

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The first case is finally updated, cheers.
Spoiler : change log :
Change log, Part 1
* Fixed opening statement. Payne more clearly accuses Evan for pushing and killing Carter, tells about Carter fixing aircon out of own initiative and earlier tells about the lamp being dragged down by him.
* The purpose of a holter monitor is also mentioned. In Autopsy Report it is noted that it did not cause Carter’s death.
* Angela clearly states that that while Carter’s position on the ladder is strang, there is other strange thing about the picture
* Payne explain that having a lamp near a leaking water was too hazardous and had to be moved.
* The lamp is confirmed to be busted because of a short-circuit, so it would be a clear cause of death
* Oldbag testifies that Carter returned to school from a party at the City Hall. The judge ask for explanation and Payne explains that the school was receiving an award and the principal wanted his entire staff to attend, and only Oldbag and her suddenly ill partner were absent. Still, Carter had left in middle of the ceremony. This confirms alibis for entire school staff.
* After Oldbag’s testimony, Kristoph notices that Payne was carried away by a change in witnesses order, and some important things weren’t established yet.
* During first CE, Oldbag states that she is sure about everybody entering/leaving the school because of being able to see main doors from the window of the security post.
* If during first CE you don’t press Oldbag’s last statement about her patrol route, after the CE the judge asks about it.
* During Oldbag’s first CE, in Co-Cun convo, Kristoph gives a hint that Oldbag doesn’t know that something wasn’t established yet.
* During Oldbag 2nd CE, on the first press Oldbag says she only told Carter he would return take ladder from the basement and the press conversation goes slightly different.
* 2nd press was shortened by one frame.
* 4rd press has Oldbag shorter talk about ID Card being necessary, but she explains why Carter’s cart wasn’t ever registered. Oldbag opened main doors for carter out of own initiative, she also unlocked his classroom for him. She did that out of own initiative to test the new system’s features. Convenient like hell, but since Carter doesn’t stay in school since lessons are over, I had to somehow prevent him from proving he had his card at that time. At last Oldbag is a type of character to do such annoying things.
* When Oldbag is pressed about the reason why Evan was arrested, the time of buying the can is changed into four minutes before Carter’s death. Payne states that the can proves Evan’s presence at the crime scene, and it being just left within four minutes to the murder is hard to explain. Judge also is suspicious because of Evan’s unwillingness to testify.
* When pressed more about the can, Oldbag makes her point about Evan not cleaning after himself quicker.
* When pressed about why she wasn’t arrested, Oldbag says that 3rd floor corridor has a special treatment ordered by principal due to his paranoia about expensive equipment there. Payne also makes a point that the security log turns the case into a locked room with only Evan and Carter being inside, what makes Angela think about breaking the room.
* Due to all changed information, summary of the cross-examination and Angela’s point against it also are changed. Angela says that it’s very unlikely Carter would return from a ceremony just to fix AC, so maybe he wanted to meet somebody.
* When Angela asks Payne about Evan’s possible motive, she remarks in her mind how it’s useful to keep hard questions for later.
* Angela states that Oldbag should be questioned about the security system, since it’s fundamental to Payne’s locked room claim
* After her 3rd testimony, when the judge asks Oldbag about activation of the security system, she reminds that since it was its first day of usage, she tested the function of opening main doors and unlocking classroom for Carter, so he had no reason to use his ID Card for them.
* The judge also asks here about security post’s placement, it is on the far other side of the school from the classroom, with the gym being in between of them.
* During Oldbag 3rd CE, when Angela asks if Carter was such a person to lose important things, Payne says it happens to not live up to own reputation.
* During Oldbag 3rd CE, if you ask her about what she was doing on the 3rd floor, she adds that the entrance to its corridor was locked due to the principal’s paranoid orders. She also says that she knows about Carter being already dead when she had left it, because the detective told her this.
* If you ask about possibility of the culprit staying in school before system’s activation and the Oldbag being his accomplice, she points out that it was impossible for her to predict Carter’s return from the ceremony.
* Because of change in log, after presenting the Security Log, the time you have to write is 6:42
* After pointing out the flaw in log, Angela says that because the system didn’t work around 7:00 and 7:30 PM, it is too unreliable to prove Oldbag’s alibi and guarantee Payne’s locked room claim.
* The judge gives up on lecturing Oldbag about consequences of perjury, because he doesn’t believe she can be ever reformed.
* When Payne insists on having Angela calling Evan as her witness, she tells Kristophs that Payne counts on Evan saying something against their case and to remind the judge about his weak alibi.
* Evan testifies that Carter spotted him before buying the coke. He claims to buy the coke in middle of the talk with Carter, like 2 minutes before the end of it.
* The judge notices that Evan had to drink his coke very fast, but Evan replies that right here he can drink a Coke can in less than half a minute.
* During his CE, on a press about being spotted Evan says that he bought the coke around 8:10 and before this Carter had seen him from the class and they had a talk.
* In thought route, the first question is still about who could take the card. I decided to keep if for intentionally wrong explanation behind why Evan wouldn’t take it.
* Second question is about the unanswered question of the case that can help lead us to identity of the third person. Those questions are “Where the card was taken?” (probably disposed outside of the school, can’t help us), “Who turned on the lamp?” (the killer, but we can’t determine who is the killer) and “Why Mr. Carter returned?”. Angela figures that Carter wouldn’t return from a ceremony just to fix AC when he could do it at any day. She returns to her earlier theory that Carter planned to have a meeting with somebody.
* Third question is the same as in previous version. Colleague option is dismissed due to the ceremony award.
* Evan says that he knows that Bobby Dark was supposed to meet with Carter after school, though he didn’t know at which hour. In previous version I preferred to make it less obvious to the court that Evan could be setting up Bobby, but I decided that Bobby being the possible third party should be more certain.
* When bailiff confirms that Carter’s card was used, Angela remarks that’s the end of Payne’s locked room.

Part 2
* Evan says that Bobby told him about his meeting with Carter, but he didn’t know it was supposed to take place at night.
* Payne says that the literature contest is sponsored by the City Hall.
* Bobby slightly changes his testimony due to changes in story
* During Bobby’s first CE, on the first press explanation behind the contest is shortened, same info from Evan about principal keeping the case low profile. Ceremony award is the reason behind the meeting being at such late hour.
* Second press is shortened by frame and on a third Angela doesn’t believe in the way Bobby acts.
* Judge’s conclusion after CE is slightly different, Angela once again doesn’t buy Bobby’s act
* After Bobby’s 2nd testimony the judge asks about the time of meeting. Bobby answers that Carter told him that he should be back from ceremony at 7:00 PM, but he also had other things to do so Bobby had time to the 8:30.
* There are some minor changes for 2nd CE presses. The most important one is that Bobby says that Carter had a ladder ready to put against a wall, what makes the stepladder contradiction a contradiction.
* After presenting the stepladder picture, Angela asks Bobby how exactly a stepladder is used and is it put against a wall. The description of its usage being wrong is the reason why Angela calls a lie.
* Angela explains that Bobby’s lie about leaving before the murder is exposed, because he wasn’t able to properly describe the stepladder, since he had never seen it before it being broken.
* Payne explains that Bobby testified he seen the crime scene before the murder, but as Angela has proven, when Bobby entered the classroom, Carter was already lying dead on a broken stepladder. Payne adds that despite Bobby’s presence, Evan is still clearly guilty.
* The judge tells Bobby that he will let slide the perjury due to Bobby’s mental state.
* Bobby tells Angela that after establishing he could enter the crime scene, she should just use it to establish that anybody else could. He tells her that she should know that the less a witness says the better (he actually refers to Angela's own testimony from years ago, but she doesn't catch on that).
* Bobby testifies that he revised the entry upstairs (2nd floor) because he knew that he had time, he also testifies about turning all lights inside the classroom but the back room ones.
* Angela explains to Evan how Payne can use this seemingly useless testimony to his advantage. She says about not contradicted testimonies being taken as a evidence. According to Bobby, somebody else than him pushed and killer Carter. As a witness, Bobby has no reason to lie until it’s proven. While Bobby didn’t see the killer, the killer could hide in an open toilet. Payne can claim that Evan could hear Bobby approaching and hide himself in the toilet. And such explanation will allow to have Bobby leave the stand, taking from Angela the advantage of a surprising to the prosecution witness. Angela also suspects that while Bobby has to explain how he could leave the school despite the system, most likely he already has some fitting explanation.
* Few minor changes in presses of 3rd CE. In co-cun convo, Angela thinks she has to prove the possibility of Bobby jumping to conclusion.
* Angela doubts Payne’s claim that Carter was pushed since Bobby didn’t spot anybody else.
* Entire back room is accepted as answer about the location where Evan would put the tools, but Angela states that the most ideal place would be in front of the victim.
* Angela says that “the other person that entered the room” would realize that Carter fall due to accident, since he didn’t spot anybody who could push him.
* Bobby notices that the entire fall theory is a stretch, but Angela replies that it could happen.
* Kristoph notices, that Bobby’s house is of a high class, and the perspective of losing his privilege could cause him to project his failings on Carter.
* Angela tells Evan she won’t let Bobby to testify since testimonies can be taken like evidences. Judge clearly states that he doesn’t see the reason to prolong the trial. Angela remarks that nobody else would see any reason for that. Right before Bobby tricks her into letting him to testify.
* For a final testimony, Bobby claims that after Evan entered the classroom, he waited like a three minutes before hearing the stepladder fall and seeing Evan escaping. Bobby also testifies that the class was open.
* For the final CE, player is warned that Bobby can see where you are going with your questions.
* After Carter contradiction, Bobby claims that Evan was sneaking in, trying to not be spotted, like he intended to kill. For him, it’s clear in retrospect, even if he originally wouldn’t suspect Evan for anything like this.
* When Angela says that Bobby knew about the system as well, he says he knew nothing until she started bragging about it herself.
* Evan’s escape route is shown on the plan
* During a co-cun Angela realizes she must make Bobby tell more in a less obvious way, and a slightest point of disagreement can do the job.
* For a special game-over for pressing too much the question about describing Evan, Bobby changes few lines depending on whatever you already pointed out Carter contradiction or not. There are also some changes for the second special game-over.
* For both special game-overs, the judge reminds Angela she ensured the court about being able to prove Bobby lying, and since she is not able to, he has to accept his testimony.
* After presenting the contradiction, Angela says that vending machines make sound and since the class was open, Carter could hear it and be warned about Evan’s, despite Evan supposedly sneaking in. Also, despite Evan entering with a killing intent, he left a bought moments ago can – the evidence of his involvement. Angela states that Bobby has no way out, since he himself restricted the meeting to three minutes.
* Angela says that like she herself was often jumping a gun, Bobby also did that by trying to directly incriminate Evan. He could just explain his escape from school without lying so much. This causes Bobby’s first breakdown.
* The final question is about an evidence being surprisingly easy to use against Bobby. Both ID Card and the security log are accepted.
Here is also reply to Enth’s list of suggestions at the end of his wall of text.
Spoiler : :
Opening Statement: Payne needs to explain everything better! What did the defendant do? How did the victim die? What was going on with that air conditioner? Be explicit!
Done.
First Cross-Examination: As written, this does nothing. Either get rid of it, or rewrite it to explicitly explain the security system and Oldbag’s route. The first seems like the better option.
Clearly stated the reason why it does nothing. Information about Oldbag route is unskippable.
Second Cross-Examination: Almost everything needs to be explained better. You don’t just want to give out facts, you want to do it in a memorable way, and make it fit into that narrative.
Shortened what I could, made the can more memorable due to the 4 minutes time difference.
Whatever the first testimony is, you need to transition into it better and clearly explain the issues that I mentioned for the first cross-examination.
Once again, Payne does things out of order
Third Cross-Examination: Statements two and six need their press conversations rewritten to be understandable by the reader. Make the problem with the case more explicit in Oldbag’s testimony. Make it clear how this testimony relates to everything else. Clarify and dramatize Angela’s argument against Oldbag, and Oldbag’s point. Most lingering questions about the case by now should be answered.
Don't know what is not understandable about "Windows had bars or were closed, doors were the only way out" in 2nd press. 6th had changes due to changes in the overall mystery.
Fourth Cross-Examination: One of your better cross-examinations. Give the court a reason to listen to this, or cut it. If you keep it, make it memorable by including some emotional variety and drama, rather than just getting facts. Also, the post-contradiction dialogue needs revisions for clarity.
Reason given. No drama, I switched back to Moderato for a reason. Evan handles you contradictory statement on a silver plate, no matter which one out of 3 questions you ask him first - that's the gimmick of this CE. Minor change in post-contradiction dialogue.
Thought Route: Just… rewrite this.
Few changes were sufficient.
First Cross-Examination: Either keep consistent with Bobby as neurotic, or scrap this cross-examination and move the important parts to the next testimony.
I shortened it, but I keep it because I find it necessary.
Second Cross-Examination: Make this contradiction an actual contradiction. Make Angela’s explanation of the relevance of the contradiction matter, and have it get to the important parts. Make it explicitly clear why the court is wasting their time on a testimony like “I didn’t see anything.”
Contradiction itself fixed, also Angela's explanation, even if she herself still doesn't realize the entire point of it. Don't know if you refer to this or next CE. If this one, the witness's testimony about his presence on the crime scene has to be examined, if it's about the next one, Angela explains why they have to crack it.
Third Cross-Examination: Get rid of the line that Darke lied to cover up for Evan; that makes no sense when this testimony is no more incriminating than the previous one. Make it clearer what the player is supposed to be looking for, since this is a very difficult cross-examination, and what you have right now is extremely vague. Make things like the “contest” and “upstairs” more fleshed out. Explain the additional unanswered questions. Removing everything frustrating before this would also go a long way. Clarify what happened with Bobby and the electricity.
Bobby's line changed into him pointing out that his previous testimony was giving Angela enough to defend Evan. I made the contradiction clearer, "upstairs" is specified to be 2nd floor. Don't know what exactly is your problem about the "contest" here, but the information about the time of meeting with Mr. Carter was changed. Don't know what you refers with "the electricity", but I removed that bit about him turning on the AC.
Post-Third Cross-Examination: Clarify all of Angela’s arguments. If you can, have Angela address the problems in the strange physics of the situation, and the strangeness about how anybody would ever think of this. That last one alone means that I don’t believe this argument.
She shrugs over all the problems with this purposefully nonsensical argument, though she states that Bobby could figure out this was an accident, since he didn't see anybody who could push Mr. Carter.
Fourth Cross-Examination: This could be a great contradiction, but Angela’s handling of it ruins the moment for the player. Try to think of how you can improve this, in light of what you want to do with Angela.
The way Angela handles it is perfection, in light of what I want to do with her.
Fifth Cross-Examination: Make your contradictions actual contradictions. Trim your press conversations. Get rid of the fake drama from unlimited penalties for no reason. Get rid of the need to press the other statement. Many of these changes involve simplifying the final confrontation, so you may need to introduce other factors to raise the difficulty back up. Have Have the player see that they’re making actual progress on the case, even before this. Clear up points of ambiguity.
Contradiction changed to "intending to kill killer wouldn't buy and leave evidence of his presence" + "classroom was open, it's a common sense that vending machines make sound, he would announce himself to Carter". Not getting rid of the actual drama of facing the guy who figured out the murderer you are defending.
Trimming the presses - the longer ones are about all the strange points about the case. Why Bobby supposedly made up his contest entry, how he could learn about the security system in the first place, etc... It has either Angela pressing the subject too much believing that Bobby lies, or Bobby trying to push it aside because he really can't explain it.
Don't know which statement is "the other", the one about the other items in the back room? If you don't make Bobby testify he saw the can inside, he explains the contradiction with claiming the can wasn't there when he entered the classroom, and Evan put it afterwards to establish himself as a seemingly-not-cooperative-but-actually-manipulating-the-investigation-witness. There is no real progress in this case, everything goes in a wrong direction and the situation is ambiguous on a purpose.
Credit to Cilo Spade for proofreading the changed parts.
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I'm not even done with Part 1 of Turnabout Siblings and I'm liking this...
Spoiler : The Humor :
"Mr. Payne, to end this discussion:
For Ms. Oldbag not being prepared, the court finds you... GUILTY"
Spoiler : Witness-Prosecutor coalition :
Wendy Oldbag cooperating with anyone besides "Edgey-poo"? This spells the end of the world...
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FEED ME WITH FEEDBACK

Also, glad you like it so far, roaringjohn.
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So I just finished your case, and I would like to say some things.

At first I wasn't really sure, but then I got to the end and I was just like "Woah". Totally mind blowing.

One small thing I noticed though: Sometimes the camera would shake and never stop shaking. I could fix it by refreshing my browser, but it was still kind of annoying.

One thing I would like to ask: Was Bobby making a Death Note reference when he first took the stand? At first I wasn't going to ask, but then I noticed that you were using Death Note music, so I thought I'd take the chance.
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Sometimes the camera would shake and never stop shaking.
You are first to report something like this, it's most likely some AAO deal. Contact Unas about it, inform him about your browser and OS.
Was Bobby making a Death Note reference when he first took the stand?
Yes. His other similar line was a direct quote from Code Geass R2.

Anyway, glad you liked it.


Some announcement.
Confessed Turnabout takes longer than I previously announced it elsewhere. The reason is me realizing that during the initial planning I overlooked something that was greatly contradicting with what I wanted to happen. Besides, right now I'm working on two not AAO related projects, and they are pretty big deal for me.
Still, the problem that initially halted my progress is already resolved. I don't have that much time for case-making, but I can progress on a slow pace. And part 1 of Confessed Turnabout is almost done, same is about part 2 (my prediction is 5 parts, investigation, trial, investigation, two trials).
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Well, after the development hell I can finally publish this:


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Enjoy the long awaited continuation of Angela Light's story!

Credits:
Custom graphics: Me, Singidava, Lind, DragonTrainer, Greeny, Silver Glas and TheKayOne.
Custom music: Broocevelt
Proofreading: HellPuppy, Blizdi, eatmorepies.
Playtesting: TheKayOne
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What's the music that's playing during the investigation of the crime scene?
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Broocevelt's Revelations of a Crime Scene, I forgot to credit him :P
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Oh wow! I forgot about this. Congratz on releasing part 1!
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I just finished playing the first part. I really enjoy what I've seen so far, this trial reminds me of why I liked the first case
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Namely, the way you mess with so many AA tropes, especially those related with the protagonist's morality. It's obvious one of the main themes of this series is how the defense isn't always necessarily good, and this case really shows that.

Your assistant during the case being a someone you know is a murderer is also an interesting idea, as well as having your client apparently actually killing someone. Also lol at how Kristoph is treated as a good guy during the whole case. If he is supposed to be an honest person, then what can we expect from the villains?

Also, I liked the number of choices during the investigations. I always like it when the games add more interactivity like that, even if it affects nothing major about the story.
Well, that's it. As I said, I like what I've seen so far of the case, and I'll definitely keep up with any future parts of this series.
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I have finished the first trial and i can't find the words :shock:
Spoiler : :
Quick rewiew : At first i thought it would be something like a normal first case, a short and easy one but you truly did surprise me ! What I liked the most about it is probably Angela herself, finally a defense attorney who leads the court ! And moreover, she thinks things through... I hope she will not end up in the "mary sue" type :calisto: The case itself was really good, you did a good job by descripting the school interiors, the ID registry... and it was difficult, especially at the end with that last testimony (When bobby realized that we were going to talk about the can really scared me, as if you were reading through our minds... I really liked it :awesome: )

And obiviously that plot twist at the end :shock: Really you did a wonderful job and i hope you'll keep going with this series :pearlhappy: PS : Umineko music when Bobby "confessed" totally caught me off guard, it was used in the same context in Umineko if I remember well, good job :larry:
EDIT = Quick rewiew for the first part of your second trial
Spoiler : :
Thanks to you my hatred for cliffhangers came back :tigre: I really loved this part, you even put choices etc it was cool, and one thing i liked too with the first trial is the humor :calisto: I lol'd so hard with :
-Evan : "I love you, sis"
-Angela : "Me too"
Waiting for the next part ! :pearlhappy:
Sorry for my bad english, belive me or not but I just discovered the english part of this site after 6 years :calisto:
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