[T] A Laggy Turnabout ★
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- Tiagofvarela
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Re: [T] A Laggy Turnabout ○
Currently performing maintenance on the case, so I'll be taking it down temporarily.
This may break your save games if you are in the middle of something. Or it might not, I'm not sure.
I'll also be rewriting certain parts, taking into account the feedback I've received, and writing new ones. One of the reasons the ending and characterisation may feel rushed is because one more cross-examination, which never materialised, was planned. I'll be working on its materialisation over the coming days. Things could go very very wrong. Be worried. Worst case scenario nothing changes. So don't be worried.
Edit: Wow, one part of the trial was broken and neither I nor anyone ever noticed. The joys (and pains) of a trial with a stupid amount of small divergences.
This may break your save games if you are in the middle of something. Or it might not, I'm not sure.
I'll also be rewriting certain parts, taking into account the feedback I've received, and writing new ones. One of the reasons the ending and characterisation may feel rushed is because one more cross-examination, which never materialised, was planned. I'll be working on its materialisation over the coming days. Things could go very very wrong. Be worried. Worst case scenario nothing changes. So don't be worried.
Edit: Wow, one part of the trial was broken and neither I nor anyone ever noticed. The joys (and pains) of a trial with a stupid amount of small divergences.
A Laggy Turnabout ★
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
- Tiagofvarela
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ○
The case is up once again. Updates were very light, as I have postponed the new cross-examination indefinitely, when I realised it was ultimately irrelevant to the case.
A Laggy Turnabout ★
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
i never saw it coming
This trial's been due for a QA review for some time! Good luck.
This trial's been due for a QA review for some time! Good luck.
[D]isordered speech is not so much injury to the lips that give it forth, as to the disproportion and incoherence of things in themselves, so negligently expressed. ~ Ben Jonson
- Tiagofvarela
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Fades stopped working in all my trials, for some reason, and on top of that I realised that I have no idea where I was hosting those things, which means I was probably hotlinking without meaning to, but I've now reuploaded them myself, and they're working again.
My apologies if this small update killed your saves.
My apologies if this small update killed your saves.
A Laggy Turnabout ★
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
- Gosicrystal
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Tiago, I found these technical flaws last time I played the case (before the fade update). Please make sure to check if they're still there:
* Apollo's sprite appears next to Stuffy's after Stuffy says adding statements is cheating
* The green text after the verdict has a "male" sound instead of a "typewriter"
* Trucy has a male voice in the bonus content
With that out of the way, nice curious little case. I didn't really see the murder method coming at first, but I'm glad because that kept the suspense and the mystery for me for a long time. It's definitely nice to see that you accept more than one input when pointing out contradictions and in prompts, something that not even Capcom usually does! Good job on having more than one ending, too: it's refreshing to see a case with alternate universes that the player can access depending on their choices, which for the most part in Ace Attorney are very scripted and unilateral (you only have one real correct choice to advance the plot). I also liked the amount of bonus content; I would totally put something like that at the end of my own case! Finally, as it has already been said in this thread, while Stuffy is a joy of a character, I can't say the same about the witnesses, unfortunately. It would've been great if they had some more personality and crazy quirks (other than using dynamite). But even so, this case is good. The logic of the puzzles was mostly good, and that's always a big thumbs up from me (diabolical cross-examinations and nonsensical contradictions and prompts make me hate a case very quickly, but this is not the case with The Laggy Turnabout).
So to some up, good job on this, Tiago, and I hope to see even better quality cases from you in the future.
* Apollo's sprite appears next to Stuffy's after Stuffy says adding statements is cheating
* The green text after the verdict has a "male" sound instead of a "typewriter"
* Trucy has a male voice in the bonus content
With that out of the way, nice curious little case. I didn't really see the murder method coming at first, but I'm glad because that kept the suspense and the mystery for me for a long time. It's definitely nice to see that you accept more than one input when pointing out contradictions and in prompts, something that not even Capcom usually does! Good job on having more than one ending, too: it's refreshing to see a case with alternate universes that the player can access depending on their choices, which for the most part in Ace Attorney are very scripted and unilateral (you only have one real correct choice to advance the plot). I also liked the amount of bonus content; I would totally put something like that at the end of my own case! Finally, as it has already been said in this thread, while Stuffy is a joy of a character, I can't say the same about the witnesses, unfortunately. It would've been great if they had some more personality and crazy quirks (other than using dynamite). But even so, this case is good. The logic of the puzzles was mostly good, and that's always a big thumbs up from me (diabolical cross-examinations and nonsensical contradictions and prompts make me hate a case very quickly, but this is not the case with The Laggy Turnabout).
So to some up, good job on this, Tiago, and I hope to see even better quality cases from you in the future.
- Tiagofvarela
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
My primary concerns were Stuffy and that the player would never get frustrated at the game, and I think it shows. I made it so the case tries to accept all the player's attempts to express himself, and I tried to ensure that the contradictions were fair. Any contradictions that rely on memory (that is, that could potentially lead a forgetful player to get stuck without any way out) have a way out that doesn't require presenting the detail you forgot about or have particularly explicit hints in the penalty conversations. Other contradictions rely on direct contradictions to what's on the court records, or special cases, such as contradicting the press conversation, are also acknowledged.Gosicrystal wrote:Tiago, I found these technical flaws last time I played the case (before the fade update). Please make sure to check if they're still there:
* Apollo's sprite appears next to Stuffy's after Stuffy says adding statements is cheating
That's... a surprisingly straightforward bug. I wonder why nobody noticed...
It's probably one of those small, three frame long additions that are sometimes made to the whole thing.
* The green text after the verdict has a "male" sound instead of a "typewriter"
Not sure where the issue is. All of them were set to Auto, which should mean all is well. Regardless, I've manually set them to typewriter.
* Trucy has a male voice in the bonus content
Psshh, "bonus content". I fixed it just for you, but I don't particularly care for bugs in that section.
With that out of the way, nice curious little case. I didn't really see the murder method coming at first, but I'm glad because that kept the suspense and the mystery for me for a long time. It's definitely nice to see that you accept more than one input when pointing out contradictions and in prompts, something that not even Capcom usually does! Good job on having more than one ending, too: it's refreshing to see a case with alternate universes that the player can access depending on their choices, which for the most part in Ace Attorney are very scripted and unilateral (you only have one real correct choice to advance the plot). I also liked the amount of bonus content; I would totally put something like that at the end of my own case! Finally, as it has already been said in this thread, while Stuffy is a joy of a character, I can't say the same about the witnesses, unfortunately. It would've been great if they had some more personality and crazy quirks (other than using dynamite). But even so, this case is good. The logic of the puzzles was mostly good, and that's always a big thumbs up from me (diabolical cross-examinations and nonsensical contradictions and prompts make me hate a case very quickly, but this is not the case with The Laggy Turnabout).
So to some up, good job on this, Tiago, and I hope to see even better quality cases from you in the future.
Anyhow, with every review I am made more acutely aware that the witnesses are simply not that good.
Spoiler : :
So, yes. Bonus content basically means: You done goofed.
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A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
- Gosicrystal
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Well, I understand your point about the inconvenience of creating a bonus content section, but if it's not huge and adds behind-the-scenes depth to the case, I think it can be worth it. There are many ways to add bonus content other than showing a very long deleted scene.
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Sorry for the delay. Seems there was some lag
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- Enthalpy
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Congratulations! From what I played during testing, this is well-deserved. I'm looking forward to going through it again after these edits.
[D]isordered speech is not so much injury to the lips that give it forth, as to the disproportion and incoherence of things in themselves, so negligently expressed. ~ Ben Jonson
- Tiagofvarela
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Thank you for your efforts.
I will slowly but surely start addressing these.
To start with, a bunch of small changes. The bigger issues will be left for time.
Replies in bold.
I will slowly but surely start addressing these.
To start with, a bunch of small changes. The bigger issues will be left for time.
Replies in bold.
Bad Player wrote:Sorry for the delay. Seems there was some lag
Spoiler : wheee :
A Laggy Turnabout ★
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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Re: [T] The Laggy Turnabout ☆
Hey, I remember playtesting this in its earlier incarnations. Congratulations, Tiagofvarela!
Hm... I'm definitely going to have to play this now that it's complete (and Featured)!
Hm... I'm definitely going to have to play this now that it's complete (and Featured)!
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Re: [T] A Laggy Turnabout ☆
I've made the requested changes.
For everyone else, this means that it should now be the very last version, minus any potential bugs propping up and exploding in my face. EDIT: Or me having failed utterly at implementing the requested changes.
I am also excited to announce that the case name has changed back to "A Laggy Turnabout", after I had surreptitiously changed it to "The Laggy Turnabout".
Spoiler : Reply to Bad Player :
I am also excited to announce that the case name has changed back to "A Laggy Turnabout", after I had surreptitiously changed it to "The Laggy Turnabout".
A Laggy Turnabout ★
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
A Batty Turnabout ★
A Tricky Turnabout ★
Upcoming: A Worldly Turnabout, A Courtly Turnabout, A Clumsy Turnabout, A Needy Turnabout
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Re: [T] A Laggy Turnabout ☆
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Re: [T] A Laggy Turnabout ☆
★ The QA inspection is complete. This case is now featured. Congratulations!