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Re: [T][CE] A Tricky Turnabout ☆

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Redddd
Tiagofvarela wrote:I actually, genuinely forgot about this. I have three other half done cases that are taking up my attention, I suppose.
Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler : QA :
Well, here we are...

Our protagonist has indomitable bad luck, which this time takes the form of... finding a bloody knife in the local library and promptly getting arrested for murder. This seems like it should be a straightforward case (especially since we don't even know of a victim), and in many ways, it is. The scenario sounds a bit plain, but with a tight, well-written cast, solid contradictions, and increasing trickiness, the case stays entertaining the whole way through.

Here's a stream of consciousness, cuz I'm too lazy to split it out into different sections (also I didn't get frame numbers for everything):
837: You don’t need two dashes. Delete the one on the second line.
Done.
501: Not grammatical; rephrase
"Was carrying the murder weapon all the witness saw me do?" -> "Secondly.[#200] The witness saw me carrying the murder weapon. [#100][#100]
That is all that was witnessed?"

446: 1 -> !
Hahaha. Fixed.
1372: deductible -> deducible
Do your taxes.
Fixed.

you mean insurance?
1576: Instead of making the lifebar flash here, you should make it flash after selecting the paragraph (since the place with the penalty isn’t the paragraph you pick, but whether you push harder or not)
This will force me to add the flashing to each individual question rather than just once, but it can be done.
In theory it's working there, but it might've broken everything because there were a few redirects there in the middle of it.

If it wasn't going to be a lot of pointless effort I wouldn't make you do it
In the Yellow Book evidence description you need a space in “Ms. Cellar”
Fixed.
2132: Delete “have” and “on”
Though I prefer Randall to sound clunky in his speech, the tenses were messed up here and the sentence was ungrammatical as a consequence.
Fixed.

Awkward is one thing and ungrammatical is another, so...
At the beginning of the trial you use “co-council” instead of “co-counsel”
Fixed.
During Wallbreak’s court intro sequence, the lifebar never stops flashing
Ugh. This. I thought I fixed that, but the paths to get to that point are varied enough that I actually hadn't. Uh, I've forcibly fixed it now, even if it doesn't disappear at the most elegant moment. I don't even care.
In Wallbreak’s (first) testimony:
  • After presenting the Autopsy Report, the press conversation shouldn’t just repeat itself
    At no point is the Autopsy Report presented here, so I'll assume you are referring to the Traces of Blood evidence, which has the same image.
    Added a mention of the lack of blood.
  • After presenting the Epilepsy Medication, presenting the Epilepsy Medication again shouldn’t give a generic penalty convo (and probably shouldn’t give a penalty at all)
    I hate the idea of making conversations for Randall repeating himself, as that doesn't quite fit with my image of him, but I will not go out of my way to confuse players if I don't have to.
    Added a conversation for it.
    I also added one for the Traces of Blood evidence. The rest either cannot be presented again or the game mentioned they shouldn't be, so they give a generic penalty.

    It doesn't even need to be a penalty, or Randy talking. It can just be him thinking to himself, going over what was said during the initial present.
  • You should only be able/need to present Safely once
    I honestly never even considered this one this statement being resolved before the others.
    Fixed.

    ACE HOBO
  • There should be something that says/implies Wallbreak didn’t see the knife, since I think simply not mentioning it doesn’t necessarily imply he didn’t see it (especially in his testimony), and even if the knife had been there its omission from the testimony is natural because it is a well-established scientific fact that it is impossible to see a knife in the dark
    You think anybody here knows any science? They're all as stupid as I am!
    As you may have noticed, this entire testimony, like the ones before it, is not traditional and relies on gimmicks. In order to clarify this particular statement, I have altered the question to be like this:
    "The picture of the scene you have presented is incomplete. This evidence is of some import:"
If you say you want to call Robert Life, Beth shouldn’t say “We’ll need to call Mr. Life, too.”
Maybe this feels a bit weird for the player, but it works with what Randall is actually saying. It's just a bit redundant. Nevertheless, I can change this.
Added conditional for the case in which you started the argument by mentioning Mr. Life.

If Wallbreak is supposed to be at the prosecutor’s bench, the background should be flipped.
I sure do love extra work doing things that have never been established in the actual games. Ah well. To be consistent with the courtroom interior some kind of inversion would've been necessary.
Done.

i love it too
3532: Remove the second hyphen
Done.
3598: You should probably mark Safely’s location on the map.
I hate that you're so right. I'll try and do it with a pop-up if I can. Should make it easier.
Done.

3664: you misspelled your own protagonist’s name smh
That was the judge!1!
Fixed.

it was you smh
If Beth chooses to go over the footage again, you shouldn’t get the Yes/No question of whether you want to hear the explanation… You should just hear it.
I know, but all these small things you keep pointing out saved me minutes of frustration. I swear.
With a bit of thinking, I figured out a way to do this that doesn't require me redoing all frame redirects.
Done.

you already have twelve thousands variables in your game, what's twelve thousand and one
3785: you can’t use british spellings all game then plead the fifth smh
I figured this would've been better than switching between spellings for Randall and everyone else. He's British, did you know? He's just living in Japanifornia and knows the law.
Giving just Randy British spellings actually would've been amazing
3591/4092: Shouldn’t Theresa be there?
You mean 3951, I guess? Anyway, doing that courtroom minisprite is very difficult for me. I'll look into it again.
Nope. The minisprite doesn't exist and I can't do it, so you'll have to put up with it. If it's that big of a problem I'll just remove the frames with the courtroom overview.


Also Prologue notes:
-Gretta's namebox says "Gretta" even though she doesn't introduce herself
Fixed.
-The main trial seems to have a lot more polish in terms of SFX and fades than the prologue
Well, it was missing the spinning cane sound effect, for one!
But I think it feels this way because Randall undertakes a lot of actions in silence. Without anyone else to comment on them, the only way I can represent them is with *sound effects*.
I've mostly replaced those with sounds or comments after the fact that clarify what happened.

the spinning sfx was a big one, yes
-Randy seems uncharacteristically rude in the library. I get (and really like) his "he says things that sound really rude but he doesn't actually intend any offense because he's just that dense" shtick, but here it just seems rude.
Definitely true. I did a pass to make him less so, but there's no way I can fix this problem without removing some of the more colourful language. Alas. To the bin it goes.
He should now still sound like something of an arsehole, but doesn't specifically use insults. His sentences are insulting, but don't have insults in them. That's the proper Randall way.

i thought it might be something like this. hooray.

Originally, the trial was supposed to work without the prologue. The only reason I even kept it was to reduce confusion to the player about the events at the library, to introduce Randall and Theresa, and to foreshadow the medication and sleepwalking.
To be quite honest, I'd prefer to just get rid of it, but I shouldn't. I also agree that Randall was worse in the Prologue because his personality was rewritten a bit between the two. He was supposed to use harsher language outside of court originally, but that ended up not making much sense with the final product.


Anyway.

Good job on the case! The game has a simple premise and never gets too caught up in itself, but says fun with solid contradictions and an entertaining cast. The core cast is really funny, and the Randy/Theresa/Gretta dynamic is awesome. Out of the main characters, Beth feels a little flat, since his classical composers shtick feels a bit tacked on and never amounts to much. (Because it is tacked on!) But his persistence definitely becomes apparent as the trial comes out, and pulls through in the end in a big way. The witnesses have just the right amount of eccentricity for one-off witnesses, with Wallbreak and Robert being the stand-outs. I think you did an especially great job matching the character with the sprite set for Robert, since the existence of breakdown/reveal sprites in the canon sprite sets can serve as a potential spoiler, but you took that and flipped it on its head.
Just according to keikaku

The technical aspects of the case were all top-notch. You picked out high-quality sprite sets, and used music and sfx at appropriate places. You also put in a ton of effort into adding mini-branches to the trial, which gives a lot of leeway to the player in how they approach the case and helps prevent "right idea wrong evidence" frustration. (Of course, by going out to do this yourself, you open yourself up to requests to add even more mini-branches... but I think there were only a few places where I wanted you to add them, so good job.)
I think requests to add more things are good. Since they don't affect the pace and they're fragmented, they can be done any time. That means that, although I might not have it in me to do them all at once, I can just come back and add them in a few months or something. So, if you want things added, just say so!
Most of the things you pointed out here were things I gave up on when I was writing it, but now I'm fine with doing them since I had time away from it to rest.


As for the plot... There's a fair amount to unpack. First, "the answer was in the security footage the whole time lol" could very easily be a disappointing resolution to a case, but you put in the work to explain why they didn't just find it there, so good job on that. The mystery kind of peters out at the end, but it remains steady until then, plus you lampshade this and the case transitions to more of a story-focus, so it's all fine. As for the story... boy, this is not the case for people who like closure. I get what you were trying to do, and it was totally fine the was was a relatively simple, relatively straightforward, not-epic (not in a bad sense, just that it isn't one of those "epic" cases), plain ol' fun cases for the vast majority of the playtime, but the end felt like it would've felt more at home on an "epic" case. The twist that, since this is all just a retelling by Wallbreak, he obviously couldn't have known what Randy was thinking and the thoughts were just made up, was a fun idea, but... doesn't feel like it changed much. (And I've just figured out why. I'll continue in a second.) All Randy's thoughts really did was recontextualize the rude things he said, so if you take that away he changes from a well-meaning but incredibly socially awkward guy into a rude guy. But the ending already potentially turns him into a cold-blooded murderer and the blue text twist doesn't have any effect on the actual plot, which takes away a lot of the impact a twist of this type could have. That being said, the fact that the case is of a reasonable length and isn't overly complex makes it a lot easier to both build and comprehend the twist, so I suppose there's that.
One thing that wasn't made clear was that the prologue was also made up! Wallbreak wasn't there for it, though he was present for court. I forgot to make this clear, but I'm kind of afraid to go through with it since just mentioning the 'blue text' is much simpler.
Added the following statements from Wallbreak after mentioning the blue text is made up:

"Indeed, I'm only really sure of what happened at court. The things at his house? At the library in the morning? No idea! Those are just what he told me. Sorry to disappoint, but I only witnessed the events on the night of the crime and at the courtroom."

Also, the twist removes all the blue text... but that would leave the "Randy's thoughts" evidence in place, wouldn't it? According to that, Randy fighting the knife was just a coincidence, which strongly cuts against the guilty Randy route. Since the ending otherwise seems so ambiguous, I can't tell if the innocent Randy is the canon end/truth and this is a small nod to that, or if it's some sort of 'plot-hole'.
I don't get what the problem here is or what you're pointing out. Everything Randall claims can obviously be a lie, which is also why the Prologue was supposed to be cast into doubt as well, but that was less clear.
So is the stuff written in "Randy's Memories" a lie as well? Or rather, not necessarily Randy's true memories? (Based on what you've said, I'm going to assume the answer is 'yes'.) But "Randy's Memories" are neither blue text nor in the prologue--so it's not clear that Wallbreak just made them up. (Or rather, just took what Randy claimed his memories were without narrative confirmation that those were his actual memories.) I'd add a line clarifying this point as well. "Naturally, I have no idea if "Randy's Memories" are what he truly experienced that day!"
I'm also kind of curious whether the person in orange at the end was set up by Randy, or if that was a coincidence. After all, the way that whole segment opens was "Randy was falsely set up, and golly, a whole lot of coincidences led to his arrest! But that's all been straightened out now" "OBJECTION! No, he is guilty... And those weren't coincidences, he planned the whole thing!", but if Randy was acquitted just because another guy in orange happened to be there, that wouldn't really fit.
Assuming Randall is guilty, Randall allowed the court to reach that point BECAUSE he saw a guy in orange there; but he didn't plant him. Pointing that guy out would solidify his Not Guilty, but he was nervous about/failed to initially notice the hand.

Also, a small nitpick in the plot: if Theresa lost her phone in the early early morning on the 20th, shouldn't she have noticed before the morning of the 21st that her phone was totally missing?
Uh, she stayed behind to look for her phone (and never found it) and that's why she ended up witnessing the events that night. What gave you the impression she was unaware she'd lost it? She become immediately suspicious of Wallbreak when she meets him because of it.
When she receives the phone, she says "I... I must have..."; maybe this is what misled you, so I've changed it to "He... He must have...".

oh, i thought if she had realized she had lost her phone way before she arrived at court, she would've just totally called out Wallbreak right then and there

But anyway. On the whole, this case is really solid, with effort and attention to detail clearly visible throughout the case. I know I spent a lot of words pulling apart the twists and endings, but that's just going into the nitty-gritty for the sake of examining everything that could conceivably have been improved. The vast majority of the case is a fun, light-hearted mystery, and the end is... Well, I myself am one of those people that really really like closure, so I really wanted an explicit "true end". But it for the most part does what it sets out to do, so I can't really fault you for that.
I really felt like the theme was asking for it. What is a more terrible, wicked narrator than one that asks you to finish the story for him?
That's what I felt about a 300 page book I once read, anyway >:(


so yeah. gj. you get a gold star.
There you have it. Should've replied to most things. Assuming you have no issues with my fixes and solutions, all bar the things that require art should be done.

EDIT: And now I've added the indicator for where the witness was on the diagram.
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Re: [T][CE] A Tricky Turnabout ☆

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Underlined!
Bad Player wrote:Redddd
Tiagofvarela wrote:I actually, genuinely forgot about this. I have three other half done cases that are taking up my attention, I suppose.
Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler : QA :
After presenting the Epilepsy Medication, presenting the Epilepsy Medication again shouldn’t give a generic penalty convo (and probably shouldn’t give a penalty at all)
I hate the idea of making conversations for Randall repeating himself, as that doesn't quite fit with my image of him, but I will not go out of my way to confuse players if I don't have to.
Added a conversation for it.
I also added one for the Traces of Blood evidence. The rest either cannot be presented again or the game mentioned they shouldn't be, so they give a generic penalty.

It doesn't even need to be a penalty, or Randy talking. It can just be him thinking to himself, going over what was said during the initial present.
Uh... Fine. I'll make him think about it for the rest of repeated presents.
Done.


One thing that wasn't made clear was that the prologue was also made up! Wallbreak wasn't there for it, though he was present for court. I forgot to make this clear, but I'm kind of afraid to go through with it since just mentioning the 'blue text' is much simpler.
Added the following statements from Wallbreak after mentioning the blue text is made up:

"Indeed, I'm only really sure of what happened at court. The things at his house? At the library in the morning? No idea! Those are just what he told me. Sorry to disappoint, but I only witnessed the events on the night of the crime and at the courtroom."

Also, the twist removes all the blue text... but that would leave the "Randy's thoughts" evidence in place, wouldn't it? According to that, Randy fighting the knife was just a coincidence, which strongly cuts against the guilty Randy route. Since the ending otherwise seems so ambiguous, I can't tell if the innocent Randy is the canon end/truth and this is a small nod to that, or if it's some sort of 'plot-hole'.
I don't get what the problem here is or what you're pointing out. Everything Randall claims can obviously be a lie, which is also why the Prologue was supposed to be cast into doubt as well, but that was less clear.
So is the stuff written in "Randy's Memories" a lie as well? Or rather, not necessarily Randy's true memories? (Based on what you've said, I'm going to assume the answer is 'yes'.) But "Randy's Memories" are neither blue text nor in the prologue--so it's not clear that Wallbreak just made them up. (Or rather, just took what Randy claimed his memories were without narrative confirmation that those were his actual memories.) I'd add a line clarifying this point as well. "Naturally, I have no idea if "Randy's Memories" are what he truly experienced that day!"
I find it so weird that this is necessary. Added.
Incidentally, though I intended to make the fact that Randall could've lied at any point obvious, I do not think the prologue needs to be any different should Randall be guilty. A combination of luck and being the first at the library could've easily led to him being set up to take a fall, which happened to some extent with the library's staff trying to pin the first party they could blame, Randall, on Givon's orders.


Also, a small nitpick in the plot: if Theresa lost her phone in the early early morning on the 20th, shouldn't she have noticed before the morning of the 21st that her phone was totally missing?
Uh, she stayed behind to look for her phone (and never found it) and that's why she ended up witnessing the events that night. What gave you the impression she was unaware she'd lost it? She become immediately suspicious of Wallbreak when she meets him because of it.
When she receives the phone, she says "I... I must have..."; maybe this is what misled you, so I've changed it to "He... He must have...".

oh, i thought if she had realized she had lost her phone way before she arrived at court, she would've just totally called out Wallbreak right then and there
Yes. That's how she'd usually react, but she was trying to keep the events that occurred that night under wraps, for fear of involving Randall who sleepwalked. If she reacted strongly or made accusations, she risked the context of her lost phone being brought up.
There you have it. Should've replied to most things. Assuming you have no issues with my fixes and solutions, all bar the things that require art should be done.

EDIT: And now I've added the indicator for where the witness was on the diagram.
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Re: [T][CE] A Tricky Turnabout ☆

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Spoiler : Prologue SoC :
WHOA THERE THAT WAS A SUDDEN START

Wallbreak breaks the fourth wall. Much pun

I don't know Randlall, its too dark to see where you are

You moved again-- Oh its sleepwalking

Who.... who gets into their closet while sleeping...

Ooh a lady~

Epilepsy Medication, huh

Speak for yourself, Narrator.

Oh hey, I called it!

Red text he says, while speaking in orange

So there's a library by Vitamin Square. Cool

"The book I dropped is on the ground." People die when they are killed

Murder in the library?!

"Murder! Murderer! Police!" Wow so everyone is there and no-one did anything to prevent that /s

>Gretta
Did she reveal herself and I didn't even pay attention?...

"Your shouting reminds me of those pesky cats who don't cease meowing during the night." Please don't reveal the reason I can't sleep at summer nights without my permission

Oh yes, how can we forget that Japanifornia has such timely trials

---

Interesting. I don't have much to say about the prologue, tbh, other that it's a good start. We see that Randall has some knowledge (and speaks quite fancy) so at least we will be competent during the trial.
Spoiler : Trial SoC :
Wow Randall, making your girlfriend sound dumb

What is Mr. Narrator doing here?

Theresa asking the real questions

"I dislike speaking about worthless subjects." OH SNAP--

Really minor but it kinda bugs me that evidence!Hat is not the same color as sprite!Hat

>Theresa's Phone in the CR
Hmmmmmm

Completely irrelevant but Randall's hair is so fluffy and nice...

She's a co-counsel, but I didn't see her in the courtroom preview!

Oh look, it's funky Apollo

The defense leading the judge is a nice twist

"The guy is.... Hugh or something" *CR states his full name* Randall sure is perceptive

"Schubert? Who's that...?" my thoughts exactly, Theresa

Of curse you knew the answer, Rand-- wait, why would Beth know of him...?

Randall is big bulli

Oho? Back to the first testimony?

"I frequent the library frequently" sounds redundant, unlike other phrases he has said. Dunno why

He doesn't need spikes, Theresa, his hair is nice as is~...

Hm, presenting My Memories on the Second CE as you should(?) doesnt stop the music until after shouting Objection

Wow rude calling us out for not figuring out the contradiction

"I assure you I am not friends with any of the library staff" Well what about, I don't know, Theresa?

"Not as thick as that brain of yours" I'm hOLLERINg

D'aaww, Henry...

Greek literature, eh?

"Are you a female?" wow Randall I knew I should have you ask that but still

I read "on my name as a total idiot" and it still stands tbh

OMG TIAG STOP CALLING ME OUT ON LITERALLY THE NEXT FRAME

Tea Cellar. Her name is Tea Cellar.

OK OMG I JUST GOT BETH'S PUN WHEN HE POINTED IT OUT UIUAHF

"Shock overtook me, and I shouted." she says, while smiling

T e l e p a t h y

OMG ALL THE PREVIEW SHOTS MAKE SO MUCH SENSE NOW *takes mental note for proper shots next time*

What, the prosecution helping after telling the detective off for doing that?

Safely Guard I just--

"Calculating optimal speed to launch a book of average mass in order to kill a human..." I may or may not want this piece of information

Oh noes, Theresa on the stand...

Sleepmurdering

OH we ARE cross-examining her now?

I was low-key expecting Wallbreak to, well, break the fourth wall and explain. But shame, there's a logical way, too...

You know, just casually narrating in the middle of the cross-examination

Night of the 19th-20th be like *hot partey*

"Voting for your favourite lawyer is done after the trial" OMG :calisto:

Testimony names are not a game of Clue

To paraphrase a certain someone, "I see what you're doing here, mister designer: not allowing the player to present anything so you don't have to write Randall objecting :atmey: "

Ok this whole situation is hilarious

Gretta why you--

Oh now we play as Beth?

Oho? Immobilised right arm?

Good theory but why kill Hugh?
Speaking of, I don't see him in Beth's CR

Wallbreak wtf?

---

1. Not guilty:
Nothing of note

2. Guilty:
Oho? I knew I should have left this option for last

My my, Theresa...

Oh my gosh...
Spoiler : Final thoughts :
Overall, I really enjoyed this case! The premise was really good, and I caught Randall's erm... quirk? Quite easily and it let me object properly. The logic wasn't too hard to follow after you manage that and all the twists were really nice. The more prominent characters were written really well (not that the others weren't) and it was seeing them interact. I like how you got to play as Beth near the end and the double ending was a great touch!

The music was nice and fitting for the story, though at first I was kinda unsure. The defense being considerably smart was a nice change of pace, even if he didn't always get to show that due to how he is. Also you really fooled me there with Wallbreak; I was honestly expecting him to turn things about sooner.
Overall, it was a really enjoyable case!
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Re: [T][CE] A Tricky Turnabout ★

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Hmmm.... Nope, can't think of any more minor yet annoying things to make you fix. Darn, guess I can't put it off any longer.

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Bad Player wrote:Hmmm.... Nope, can't think of any more minor yet annoying things to make you fix. Darn, guess I can't put it off any longer.

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yay
Nicky Boy wrote:
Spoiler : Prologue SoC :
WHOA THERE THAT WAS A SUDDEN START

Wallbreak breaks the fourth wall. Much pun

I don't know Randlall, its too dark to see where you are

You moved again-- Oh its sleepwalking

Who.... who gets into their closet while sleeping...
Somebody with the potential to do much more than just get into the closet whilst sleeping...

Ooh a lady~

Epilepsy Medication, huh

Speak for yourself, Narrator.

Oh hey, I called it!

Red text he says, while speaking in orange
Your eyes are wrong, I don't care what you say!

So there's a library by Vitamin Square. Cool

"The book I dropped is on the ground." People die when they are killed

Murder in the library?!

"Murder! Murderer! Police!" Wow so everyone is there and no-one did anything to prevent that /s

>Gretta
Did she reveal herself and I didn't even pay attention?...
I must be crazy. I visited the trial specifically to fix this, changed a couple of lines and forgot about the other ten thousand. I even played it to test it...

"Your shouting reminds me of those pesky cats who don't cease meowing during the night." Please don't reveal the reason I can't sleep at summer nights without my permission

Oh yes, how can we forget that Japanifornia has such timely trials

---

Interesting. I don't have much to say about the prologue, tbh, other that it's a good start. We see that Randall has some knowledge (and speaks quite fancy) so at least we will be competent during the trial.
fancy
Spoiler : Trial SoC :
Wow Randall, making your girlfriend sound dumb
Find me somebody he does not make sound dumb

What is Mr. Narrator doing here?
Witnessing the story. Otherwise, how could he narrate it? Oh, wait...

Theresa asking the real questions

"I dislike speaking about worthless subjects." OH SNAP--

Really minor but it kinda bugs me that evidence!Hat is not the same color as sprite!Hat
And it'll continue to bother you, because those are the same colour to my blind self.

>Theresa's Phone in the CR
Hmmmmmm

Completely irrelevant but Randall's hair is so fluffy and nice...

She's a co-counsel, but I didn't see her in the courtroom preview!
And you won't see her because the sprite doesn't exist.
In fact, nice idea. Go make it! >:D


Oh look, it's funky Apollo

The defense leading the judge is a nice twist

"The guy is.... Hugh or something" *CR states his full name* Randall sure is perceptive
Randall actually reads the court documents.

"Schubert? Who's that...?" my thoughts exactly, Theresa

Of curse you knew the answer, Rand-- wait, why would Beth know of him...?

Randall is big bulli

Oho? Back to the first testimony?

"I frequent the library frequently" sounds redundant, unlike other phrases he has said. Dunno why
Randall is typically awkward in his phrasing. Not exactly redundant (though I'm sure some redundant things slipped in). In this case it's just awkward, not redundant. Despite sounding similar, the words have different meanings here. One says he went there, the other says how often.

He doesn't need spikes, Theresa, his hair is nice as is~...
big floof

Hm, presenting My Memories on the Second CE as you should(?) doesnt stop the music until after shouting Objection
That was just for 1 and a half second! How do you even notice these things?
Anyway, the reason this happens is because of a shortcut that saved me 3 minutes and makes it possible for me to understand the redirects even today instead of becoming a mess (the objection frame has an evaluation that decides if you get redirected to the generic failure conversation or not, depending on whether you've already presented this particular thing). There may be other similar cases on the trial. I will likely not change them.


Wow rude calling us out for not figuring out the contradiction
Hey, he also gave a hint as to what the contradiction was, so it's a fair trade, right?

"I assure you I am not friends with any of the library staff" Well what about, I don't know, Theresa?
Of course he's not friends with Theresa! Their relationship is another!

"Not as thick as that brain of yours" I'm hOLLERINg

D'aaww, Henry...

Greek literature, eh?

"Are you a female?" wow Randall I knew I should have you ask that but still

I read "on my name as a total idiot" and it still stands tbh

OMG TIAG STOP CALLING ME OUT ON LITERALLY THE NEXT FRAME

Tea Cellar. Her name is Tea Cellar.

OK OMG I JUST GOT BETH'S PUN WHEN HE POINTED IT OUT UIUAHF

"Shock overtook me, and I shouted." she says, while smiling

T e l e p a t h y

OMG ALL THE PREVIEW SHOTS MAKE SO MUCH SENSE NOW *takes mental note for proper shots next time*

What, the prosecution helping after telling the detective off for doing that?
The detective helped the defence by not revealing information to the prosecutor.
The prosecutor's helping the defence by being honest. There's a difference.
That said, it's not like he particularly cares either way. He has a job to do, you see.


Safely Guard I just--
Did you think Khura'in puns were bad? Welcome to my case.

"Calculating optimal speed to launch a book of average mass in order to kill a human..." I may or may not want this piece of information

Oh noes, Theresa on the stand...

Sleepmurdering

OH we ARE cross-examining her now?

I was low-key expecting Wallbreak to, well, break the fourth wall and explain. But shame, there's a logical way, too...
When was this?

You know, just casually narrating in the middle of the cross-examination

Night of the 19th-20th be like *hot partey*

"Voting for your favourite lawyer is done after the trial" OMG :calisto:

Testimony names are not a game of Clue

To paraphrase a certain someone, "I see what you're doing here, mister designer: not allowing the player to present anything so you don't have to write Randall objecting :atmey: "
Whatever do you mean? You can find and present a contradiction on every statement. You just need to be fast about it.

Ok this whole situation is hilarious

Gretta why you--

Oh now we play as Beth?

Oho? Immobilised right arm?

Good theory but why kill Hugh?
Speaking of, I don't see him in Beth's CR
Fixed, and added a short sentence explaining why. Same reason as in the guilty end, basically.
Already there: "And if you think he went out to explore the library at night. Maybe expose the good doctor's crimes..."
Added:"Through murder or something else.[#100][#100]He just wanted to bring them to light."


Wallbreak wtf?
What's this about? Gretta in the narration?

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1. Not guilty:
Nothing of note

2. Guilty:
Oho? I knew I should have left this option for last

My my, Theresa...

Oh my gosh...
Spoiler : Final thoughts :
Overall, I really enjoyed this case! The premise was really good, and I caught Randall's erm... quirk? (What do you mean by this? He's got a lot of, uh, quirks so I'm trying to narrow down what you're referring to here) Quite easily and it let me object properly. The logic wasn't too hard to follow after you manage that and all the twists were really nice. The more prominent characters were written really well (not that the others weren't) and it was seeing them interact. I like how you got to play as Beth near the end and the double ending was a great touch!

The music was nice and fitting for the story, though at first I was kinda unsure.
Beth's themes were easy to see how they fit. They all had a classical bit to them.
Randall's and the testimony themes were supposed to have a feeling of... static? to them. Like something's misaligned in the background. I think the themes end up being sufficiently grating to convey this.

The defense being considerably smart was a nice change of pace, even if he didn't always get to show that due to how he is. Also you really fooled me there with Wallbreak; (What's this referring to?) I was honestly expecting him to turn things about sooner.(Is this about Wallbreak?)
Overall, it was a really enjoyable case!
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Tiagofvarela wrote:
Nicky Boy wrote:
Spoiler : Prologue SoC :
Who.... who gets into their closet while sleeping...
Somebody with the potential to do much more than just get into the closet whilst sleeping...
Fair, but I didn't know it at the time.

Red text he says, while speaking in orange
Your eyes are wrong, I don't care what you say!
Wow, rood D:

>Gretta
Did she reveal herself and I didn't even pay attention?...
I must be crazy. I visited the trial specifically to fix this, changed a couple of lines and forgot about the other ten thousand. I even played it to test it...
Smh my head

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Interesting. I don't have much to say about the prologue, tbh, other that it's a good start. We see that Randall has some knowledge (and speaks quite fancy) so at least we will be competent during the trial.
fancy
*insert fancy reply*
Spoiler : Trial SoC :
Wow Randall, making your girlfriend sound dumb
Find me somebody he does not make sound dumb
I SAID I DID'T KNOW SUCH THINGS AT FIRST

What is Mr. Narrator doing here?
Witnessing the story. Otherwise, how could he narrate it? Oh, wait...
*glare*

Really minor but it kinda bugs me that evidence!Hat is not the same color as sprite!Hat
And it'll continue to bother you, because those are the same colour to my blind self.
Gah! I've been rejected!

She's a co-counsel, but I didn't see her in the courtroom preview!
And you won't see her because the sprite doesn't exist.
In fact, nice idea. Go make it! >:D

In all seriousness, I could do that. with permission.

"The guy is.... Hugh or something" *CR states his full name* Randall sure is perceptive
Randall actually reads the court documents.
Well that explains it. It would be idiotic not to read them, right?... Right?...

"I frequent the library frequently" sounds redundant, unlike other phrases he has said. Dunno why
Randall is typically awkward in his phrasing. Not exactly redundant (though I'm sure some redundant things slipped in). In this case it's just awkward, not redundant. Despite sounding similar, the words have different meanings here. One says he went there, the other says how often.
I understand, it just stood out to me more than the others

He doesn't need spikes, Theresa, his hair is nice as is~...
big floof
*fluffy fluff*

Hm, presenting My Memories on the Second CE as you should(?) doesnt stop the music until after shouting Objection
That was just for 1 and a half second! How do you even notice these things?
Anyway, the reason this happens is because of a shortcut that saved me 3 minutes and makes it possible for me to understand the redirects even today instead of becoming a mess (the objection frame has an evaluation that decides if you get redirected to the generic failure conversation or not, depending on whether you've already presented this particular thing). There may be other similar cases on the trial. I will likely not change them.

I'm better at finding mistakes in other people's cases than mine, apparently. Ah, makes sense. Alright

Wow rude calling us out for not figuring out the contradiction
Hey, he also gave a hint as to what the contradiction was, so it's a fair trade, right?
Hmf. Fine.

"I assure you I am not friends with any of the library staff" Well what about, I don't know, Theresa?
Of course he's not friends with Theresa! Their relationship is another!
Too lazy to write my agreement with Theresa at that time

What, the prosecution helping after telling the detective off for doing that?
The detective helped the defence by not revealing information to the prosecutor.
The prosecutor's helping the defence by being honest. There's a difference.
That said, it's not like he particularly cares either way. He has a job to do, you see.

I see. I got that at the end of the No Guilty verdict

Safely Guard I just--
Did you think Khura'in puns were bad? Welcome to my case.
Oh no...

I was low-key expecting Wallbreak to, well, break the fourth wall and explain. But shame, there's a logical way, too...
When was this?
When he was summon and actually testified

To paraphrase a certain someone, "I see what you're doing here, mister designer: not allowing the player to present anything so you don't have to write Randall objecting :atmey: "
Whatever do you mean? You can find and present a contradiction on every statement. You just need to be fast about it.
Yeah but a generic line is like, soooo expected. Smh.

Good theory but why kill Hugh?
Speaking of, I don't see him in Beth's CR
Fixed, and added a short sentence explaining why. Same reason as in the guilty end, basically.
Already there: "And if you think he went out to explore the library at night. Maybe expose the good doctor's crimes..."
Added:"Through murder or something else.[#100][#100]He just wanted to bring them to light."

<Good.>

Wallbreak wtf?
What's this about? Gretta in the narration?
I think. I can't remember now LOL
Spoiler : Final thoughts :
Overall, I really enjoyed this case! The premise was really good, and I caught Randall's erm... quirk? (What do you mean by this? He's got a lot of, uh, quirks so I'm trying to narrow down what you're referring to here)
Him taking stuff literally and picking on the minute details.

The music was nice and fitting for the story, though at first I was kinda unsure.
Beth's themes were easy to see how they fit. They all had a classical bit to them.
Randall's and the testimony themes were supposed to have a feeling of... static? to them. Like something's misaligned in the background. I think the themes end up being sufficiently grating to convey this.

Ooh, neat! It did feel a liiiittle bit like that
The defense being considerably smart was a nice change of pace, even if he didn't always get to show that due to how he is. Also you really fooled me there with Wallbreak; (What's this referring to?) I was honestly expecting him to turn things about sooner.(Is this about Wallbreak?)
Yes. Him having such a punny name made me think that he would stand up to it more. But it was a pleasant surprise to see he was summoned and all.
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Nicky Boy wrote:
Tiagofvarela wrote:
Nicky Boy wrote:
Spoiler : Prologue SoC :
>Gretta
Did she reveal herself and I didn't even pay attention?...
I must be crazy. I visited the trial specifically to fix this, changed a couple of lines and forgot about the other ten thousand. I even played it to test it...
Smh my head
RIP in peace me
Spoiler : Trial SoC :
She's a co-counsel, but I didn't see her in the courtroom preview!
And you won't see her because the sprite doesn't exist.
In fact, nice idea. Go make it! >:D

In all seriousness, I could do that. with permission.
That'd be a huge favour to me. You can find the author's thread here, if you feel like going ahead with it.

To paraphrase a certain someone, "I see what you're doing here, mister designer: not allowing the player to present anything so you don't have to write Randall objecting :atmey: "
Whatever do you mean? You can find and present a contradiction on every statement. You just need to be fast about it.
Yeah but a generic line is like, soooo expected. Smh.
Not sure I understand what you mean here by 'generic line'?
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I have replied in orange and removed anything you didn't reply to because it's the logical thing to do
I have replied thusly, and did remove thine sentences, when reply to them I did not.
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Tiagofvarela wrote:
Nicky Boy wrote:
Spoiler : Trial SoC :
She's a co-counsel, but I didn't see her in the courtroom preview!
And you won't see her because the sprite doesn't exist.
In fact, nice idea. Go make it! >:D

In all seriousness, I could do that. with permission.
That'd be a huge favour to me. You can find the author's thread here, if you feel like going ahead with it.
Cool. Will see tomorrow.

To paraphrase a certain someone, "I see what you're doing here, mister designer: not allowing the player to present anything so you don't have to write Randall objecting :atmey: "
Whatever do you mean? You can find and present a contradiction on every statement. You just need to be fast about it.
Yeah but a generic line is like, soooo expected. Smh.
Not sure I understand what you mean here by 'generic line'?
I'm pretty sure Randall tries to say something when you presnt evidence, but he gets interrupted. That, or I presented wrong evidence. Twice.
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Congrats on the feature, Tiago!
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