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[T][CE] Burial of the Turnabout ○

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Burial of the Turnabout

Won a competition, can't be too bad. Even though I have no clue how this won, but he must've had his reasons. Also I just ruined a dramatic ingame title reveal.

As usual, I don't have a fancy title image. Almost everyone has one somehow. I could have made one, but people rushed me to release this. So yeah, lame first post.
Just a few things regarding this case before you start playing.

-There's no story introduction here so you don't know what to expect. I think going in blind works pretty well with this case.
-There are connections to some of my other cases, but it's designed so that knowledge of those isn't a requirement. Someone who hasn't played the rest of my cases was perfectly able to follow the plot.
-This case handles some stuff slightly differently from what is normal around here, gameplay-wise. You'll see it. You may or may not like it.
-Only the first two parts are finished. Judges got a small (and pretty mean) preview but it'll take some time to actually complete part 3. If you hate cliffhangers get the hell out while you can.
-You may get the option to manually enter something. There's a certain rule to it. Don't capitalize the word at all unless it's the name of a person.
Here you go:
Spoiler : Soundtrack (first two parts) :
Burial of the Turnabout ~ Intro Theme: toppuu
Confident in their own Four Walls ~ JP Hunters' Theme: roulette
Unsolved Past ~ Reasoning Theme: sikousekai
The Ignorant Hunter ~ William Ost's Theme: White Army, Black Baron
Serious Business ~ Zachary Zurich's Theme: haitokusanka
Wisdom and Strength ~ Hu Liwei's Theme: itigo
A Daring Gamble ~ Valerie Princess' Theme: sakeganaitohazimaranai
Darkness of Silence ~ Candia Hind's Theme: kobunhaturaiyo
Painful Clarity ~ Than Leid's Theme: horizon
Frozen Words ~ Unawakened Luna Theme: A long desired Mystery
The Beauty of History ~ Awakened Luna Theme: Rising Genius
Stolen Painting ~ Joseph F. X. van Chandler's Theme: Boys and Girls of Science Era (Piano Remix)
Tragic Detective ~ Philo Vainheim's Theme: mazyo
Absolute Wisdom ~ Judgement Seekers' Theme: The Red Truth
Incomprehensible Purity ~ JP Corporation Theme: kami no shiranai machi
Tea before the Tragedy ~ Dinner Theme: otona no mimono
Unexpected Move ~ Suspense Theme: Weekly shonen despair magazine
Malicious Move ~ Tension Theme: Ocean Breeze Dead End
Impossible Move ~ Shocked Fate: Tropical Despair
Unacceptable Move ~ Nemesis of Fate: Living to the Fullest
Internal Doubt ~ Mind Theme: Chill and Rigour
Locked Room of the Mind ~ Psychological Analysis: digital root
Locked Room ~ Investigation Theme: ikoroshia
Locked Room ~ Blocked: Invisible Pawn Devourer
Locked Room ~ Escape: To Escape From the Invisible Pawn Devourer
Bullets of Truth ~ Locked Room Objection Theme: Life gauge
Flawed Reasoning ~ That makes no sense: power-hungry fool
Illogical UnReasoning ~ Why would you ever suggest this?: Mr. Bear
Life is Capitalism ~ Will Doors' Theme: Liberty, Equality, and Justice
Unrewarded Loyalty ~ Jack Cretarie's Theme: cold iron
Rule Breaker ~ Theme of the Abandoned Legend: Spiral Ladder
Spoiler : Credits :
Sprites:
Will Doors, Jack Cretarie, Valerie Princess, William Ost, Garth Eral, and Candia Hind do all use sprites made by Lind.
Joseph F. X. van Chandler uses a sprite made by Evolina deLuna.
Zachary Zurich uses sprites made by gotMLK7
Tiefenheim uses sprites made by Greeny

Beta-Testing:
kwando
GuardianDreamer

Not Beta-Testing (or where some stuff went wrong):
Note: Gumpei is forgiven, since I had reserves. Shame though, sounded like quite the report.
Note2: I think I kinda screwed up interpreting BP correctly and didn't get as far as I thought I would, so he never got to beta. Probably not forgiven.
This is here to remind me to let him beta the full case instead.
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You released it?

Image.

Here are my SoCs if anyone wanted to read them for some reason. xP
Spoiler : Part 1 :
The Entry of Comp Beta Testing Stream of Consciousness GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OHOHOHO, NOT GIVING US THE NAME IN YOUR TITLE EH?
(rune pls, this isn't breakin' da rules any more)
And loading complete~
dat Umineko tick tock sound effect
Oh <Good.> A good old fashioned mystery tale THAT BREAKS DA RULES, I presume?
"Sufficient clues, no too blah blah" Should be "not too"
Ice knives? xD
Burial? NOOOO NOT A RUNE MYSTERY? D: WAAAAAAAAAAAI
dat rainy airport
zomg Vera Night
zomg Judgement Seekers continuity?
zomg zomg zomg
"...a case?" should be "...A case?" because I don't think there was anything else in front of that.
zomg them? JP CORP?
Eh? Vera wears a kimono?
inb4taxidriveristheculprit
Hey look, it's that apartment that Thally used in Proxy! xD
lol Zeta Astra. xD
"evil Masklord" IS THIS DWAM OR SOMETHING?
WHAT KUTER EXXER WHAT
dat Pokemon PC sfx
"Have you ever heard about a group called the Judgement Seekers?" OH GOSH IS THIS A JS CASE
IS THIS THE FABLED CASE 4 OF JS?
"Your british friend must have some really impressive knowledge." should be "Your British friend must have some really impressive knowledge.
Huh, so that object that Polly has in TDT is something that the Judgement Seekers made, eh?
William Ost, next target of JP, eh?
Also, a betrayed Kuter Exxer... Hmm... Suspicious...
"I used one of my detective's secret actions. I'm allowed up to three per case." xD
all dem Umineko sfx
This is the same train that's used in Haunted, isn't it?
Wait wait wait. THis mansion... Isn't this the mansion of our Detective Girl from last time?
Yes, it is Lira inDEEEEEEEED.
"Philo Vainheim." TOTALLY NO NAMEDROPPING HERE NOPE
And the skyscraper incident makes its return... Hmm...
HX-8 Case, eh?
Hmm... So this is post Case 3 in JS!Canon.
lol a prosecutor with an axe, eh? xD
"James Richter. Kuter Exxer. Tiefenheim." Tiefenheim?
EHHHHH?
Lira lost her mom to JP too? :O
"Raven Emblem permanently added to the evidence." Hmm... Permanently added? This is making me suspicious that we may lose evidence later on...
"The great detective knows..." ahaha
DAMN YOU DINE'S RULES FOR NOT LETTING ME BE THE DETECTIVE
THough... If this /is/ following Dine's rules... How is Vera's partner /also/ the detective.... suspicious.
Maria is the maid? Guess that explains your avatar. xD
GOING TO SLEEP
ON THE TRAIN
NOOOOO BAD PLAN VERA
IT'S NO GOOD
Hmm... Planning another impossible crime, eh Rune?
Hmm... Nevermore... Seems like something I should note.
Will Doors?
WILL LUNA BE THERE AT THIS PARTY?
And so we enter a classic mansion murder mystery, yay~
"Yet again, charming young lady... I do not remembering hadning out an invitation to you either." handing out an invitation
THIS MANSION IS HUUUUUUUGE
Zachary Zurich? O_o Fake sounding name much?
Oh, we get to meet Mr. Doors now, eh?
And now we meet Mr. Cretarie, his secretary.
Wait what what what Tiefenheim is the butler what.
DAT JP CORP
Garth Eral, a general. Got it.
Candia Hind, a person we don't know very much about.
"No elaborations!" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! DDDDDDDDDDDDD:
OH YAY
LUNA YAY~ IT'S OUR MoTM~
Oh, he's a Japanese person, not a Chinaperson. KNOX BREAKING AVOIDED~
Hu Liwei, founder of C-Link. GOt it.
Hmm... The skyscraper incident happened in his building eh?
Valerie Princess. Got it. Oh, Liwei's guest, I guess.
Eh? Ost invited her, and Liwei is the guest? Interesting...
Than Leid... Someone that Vera knows? Interesting again...
Let's talk to Ms. Hind... Who proceeds to say nothing. Lovely.
A former military person...
Retired becaused Erol retired. Hm.
Let's talk to "Tiefenheim" now, shall we?
Hmm... loyally following the murderer...
Oh, butlers! Yay!
"Raven's identity is fairly obvious. Our most well-protected member would be Vampire." eeeeeh?
Oh gosh. Let's... go talk with Luna.
And oh yay, she's as elaborating as before~
And of course, she's not married to Luke in this universe. OK.
YAY COOL COMPANY
Ah, so that's why IBO was familiar to me. Something from ToC. Right.
OH NO
LUNA IS GONNA RAGE
DUN DA DUN
AND YAY DAT THEME AGAIN
IT'S SO LUNA
LOL LUNAxVERA OTP
Oh. Luna is the co-host of this party? :o
Ah, so Mr. Ost is the other owner of Cool Company in this universe.
Come by for some... elaborations? [K]inky.
Let's talk to Mr. Doors now.
Truly dark times for America? Touche.
Roasted Raven for dinner? EWWWWW
oh, Mr. Cretaire knew Doors for a long time, eh?
Door's fate: Emperor: Stuck on the same idea.
Cretarie's fate: Heirophant, keeps order and gives good advice.
Zurich's fate: Moon, romanticizes ideas, is not grounded in reality. Could be worried about something.
Liwei's fate: Strength, represents inner strength and self control. Relies on patience.
Princess's fate: Lovers, impulse to do something. Temptation and choices will need to be made.
Leid's fate: Magician: Card of skill. Practical, has lots of focus. Vision may lead to demise.
Era's fate: Death? Loss of something, old ways eliminated, invokes sadness. Needs to part with something in order to escape.
"Change may be unavoidable. He'll have to part with something or be caught in a net he can't escape from." Four liner.
Hind's fate: Hermit. Introverted, and is within themselves. Choice between sharing knowledge and keeping it for themselves.
Tifenheim's fate: Temperance: Needs to judge. Needs to choose. Is equal.
Luna's fate: High Priestess: Wisdom, lives on her own and follows her own intuition. Has many secrets. Wants love. May reveal truths cryptically.
Hmm... Eral is a sharp cookie, isn't he.
War of Zheng Fa? INTRUIGING.
"[Sadly this conversation doesn't exist yet. I'll add them later. Sorry.)" NOOOOO DDD:
Also, love this jazzy music in the background. It's nice.
Let's be done with talking.
Oh, don't tell me Ost is dead. >_>
Oh, he isn't dead. That's good, I guess.
Hmm... The president was going to be invited as well? Noted.
Letters? Intruiging.
inb4Witch'sEpitaph-esqueThing
Another uninvited guest?
Eh? Don't tell me the univited guest is dead...
LOCKED ROOM GO
MASTER KEY IN A STORAGE BOX EH?
I'm suspicious about the fact that /we/ can't open the door but...
Hmm... The bolts are set/a chair is blocking the way eh?
And now they're breaking down the door.
Hmm... And now van Chandler is dead. DUN DA DUN.
And now we get the name of the trial~
Burial of the Turnabout. An appropriate name, I think.
Ahh, Umineko styled credits. Me likes.
Hmm... Interesting that Philo is mentioned in the credits despite the fact that he makes no appearance...
Wait wut, Franziska will make an appearance? Interesting...
Also, I find it interesting that Raven's identity is the one that's easy to crack, but Vampire's isn't easy to crack... That is intruiging me.


Thoughts? You've set up quite a fine case so far. It's great. I'm looking forward to the next part, that's for sure.
Spoiler : Part 2 :
Kwando beta-ing part 2
A tale, where I will have to find all the typos... T_T
Please don't be Zeta bad. >_>
Like, please. Please don't be Zeta bad.
I'll either love or hate this?
inb4notreallylockedroom
inb4noerikaphilo
inb4veradies
inb4beatrice
First line, already makes no sense. "He is not guilty wut?"
Also, dat Umineko bloodstain.
Of course it's murder.
Silly William, it's ALWAYS murder... (OR IS IT?)
"H-Hey, don't look at me like that. I have nothing to do with this, okay?" I feel an exclamation point would be stronger here than a period... >_>
"In fact, seeing how the locations of all guests were accounted for that's rather unlikely."
Should be "In fact, seeing how the locations of all guests were accounted for, that's rather unlikely."
"I'll, uh... I need a break. ...will lay down in my room." Missing a noun/capitalization here.
"I didn't see how this could logically be anything but a suicide."
Should be "I don't see how this could logically be anything but a suicide."
"...however, that didn't look like a weapon used for suicide."
Should be "...However, that doesn't look like a weapon used for suicide."
"It's not quite certain they used to actual crossbow. It's more likely only one bolt was used."
Should be "It's not quite certain they used the actual crossbow. It's more likely only one bolt was used."
Also, a bolt?
lol, of course we're being passed the buck
"If you examine them you should be able to find a way to explain how this was a murder."
Should be "If you examine them, you should be able to find a way to explain how this was a murder."
inb4liraisraven/vampire
Woah, a locked room? Fun.
"The victim was pierced in the heart with a metallic crowssbow bolt."
Should be a crossbow bolt.
And do you just mean an arrow? It'd be a lot simpler if you said that instead of a bolt.
"I have a weakness for my trophies, on some occassions I did stay here until late at night." Run on.
Should be "I have a weakness for my trophies. On some occassions, I did stay here until late at night."
"...That wouldn't turn the latches in either case. (Where did that even come from?)" HUEHUEHUE
"Even if they were moved, that would hardly have left any marks." Should be they instead of that.
"A smashed mirror? But there no no signs of a struggle elsewhere."
Should be "A smashed mirror? But there were no signs of a struggle elsewhere."
"I recommend not thinking too hard about it. It's probably just a distraction." Silly Lira, you're not Will~
"There is one large fish hanging over the one in the right section. There are also some photos of fish on the cabinets." Four liner.
"Everyone has their passions." Was thinking interests would fit better there...
"Seeing how the lights are not working either, I suspect electricity is turned off."
Should be "Seeing how the lights are not working either, I suspect the electricity is turned off."
All I see right now... Are bullets. BULLETS EVERYWHERE.
"That'd be because Superintended Hadley interrupted him."
Should be "That'd be because Superintendent Hadley interrupted him."
"(I've never heard of that one. This girls knows her subject I guess...)"
Should be "(I've never heard of that one. This girl knows her subject, I guess...)"
"Things like traps, autmatic locking devices, accidents that look like murder..."
should be "Things like traps, automatic locking devices, accidents that look like murder..."
"Those are the 3 classes. There is no other class, these cover all."
I think "Those are the 3 classes. There are no other classes as these cover all." works better.
Oh. I actually guessed it correctly that the room was locked with the master key? Oh.
BOO NO REPSONSE FOR SMALL BOMBS D:
"I'm sure i told you the fireplace showed no signs of recent use." Needs a capital "I".
"Ms. VeraNight... did you examine these windows?" Needs a space between Vera and Night.
"It cannot work! Dust is not easily reproduced convincingly" Missing a period.
"The device in question was small boms!" YES BUT YOU MISSPELLED BOMBS
"Yesterday I wouldn't have found it probable I'd get involved in a dinner like this!"
Should be "Yesterday, I wouldn't have found it probable I'd get involved in a dinner like this!"
"Mr. Doors and me will leave as well now. We'll naturally be available for police questioning."
Should be "Mr. Doors and I will leave as well now. We'll naturally be available for police questioning."
"Feel free to. As long as you don't leave the mansion there should be no problems."
Should be "Feel free to. As long as you don't leave the mansion, there should be no problems."
"Well, Mr. Vera Night? It's time to look for more clues."
Mr. Vera Night? OMG PLOT TWIST
dat 999 music
"It's thanks to this experts can swear certain picture were drawn by certain artists."
Should be pictures.
"Of course. Why else do people say things like women preferrign poison as a murder weapon?"
Should be "Of course. Why else do people say things like women prefer poison as a murder weapon?"
"Not quite. What the detective did in this book was successfully applied by Philo Vainheim." ZOMG PHILO NAME DROP
"Interesting suggestion. Are you saying I should put more effort into undertsnading people?"
Should be understanding.
inb4Veradies
Oh, another murder? And here I thought Vera would die. LAME
Than Leid? Not surprising, considering the police never showed up.
LOCKED ROOM TWO
"I guess it's better than pretty much fainting from merely gunshot." I'm... Not sure what you're trying to say here.
"Sounds good, old man. They're obviously insane, might want to just off us all." Comma splice.
A random blank frame with no wait timer here.
"What a shame. There goes our case-solving deus ex machina." BOOO I WANTED TO SEE PHILO D:
"What? Come on, I#m sure they can handle the word "reaper"." DAT RANDOM HASHTAG
"No, there was his purse containing his passport as well as an US Secret Service ID." Purse seems like a funny way to put it... Maybe a satchel?
"Well, that may be helpful. I#m still not sure what it's supposed to tell us though." Another hashtag.
"4 windows. 2 on the southern, 2 on the eastern wall." Two things. Numbers less than 20 should be written out (but that's a minor gripe). But it should also say "two on the southern wall".
"A round table. According to Mr. William Ost it's used for playing board games on occasion."
Should be "A round table. According to Mr. William Ost, it's used for playing board games on occasion."
"I'm a big fan of Risk. It's fun even if I'm just playing against myself." SERIOUSLY? PLAYING RISK AGAINST YOURSELF? O_o
"This is a Schmintendo console, isn't it?" lol Schmintendo. xP Let me guess, the Schmii console? xP
"There's even a game lying around here. Hm... "Super Maria Land"?" OH GOSH MARIA NO WHY
"Ugh... I should just have had you wait for the police after all." Awkward phrasing.
Should be: "Ugh... I should have just had you wait for the police after all."
"The billard table. An obligatory accessory for any high-class-looking place it seems."
Should be "The billard table. An obligatory accessory for any high-class-looking place, it seems."
"Of course I would be greatly relieved if it turned out to be one."
Should be "Of course, I would be greatly relieved if it turned out to be one."
Another missing wait timer frame.
WHA-WHAT? THAN LEID IS STILL ALIVE HOW?
Oh, and he's the murderer after all? Huh. And Zachary is a detective? Huh.
You're missing a closed paren for "Yeah... No comment" or whatever the line was.
YES UMINEKO MUSIC
"Hm, I feel no pain on my head. I coulödn't have been knocked out." DAT UMLAUT
And now we have more 999 music.
"There#s no sign of a struggle or the culprit panicking, and the crime shows no errors." Yet another #HASHTAG
"Many want offender to reflect on their deeds. It's unknown whether they can do that once dead."
Should be "Many want offenders to reflect on their deeds. It's unknown whether they can do that once they're dead."
"This type of killer is likely toactually come out and assist the police with their investigation."
Missing a space.
"You probably wouldn't remember. You were are small thing back then."
Should be "You probably wouldn't remember. You were a small thing back then."
"I remember being very generous to you, smuggling out a piece of evidence for you to keep as a memory." Four liner.
"By wanting to prove something you admit that certain truths are superior to others."
Should be "By wanting to prove something, you admit that certain truths are superior to others."
Oh man, bringing in Umineko ideas now too?
"I suppose the traumatic event factored in, and i threw you an emotional safety ring to cling to." Missing a capital I.
Oh man. Why are we talking about Oedipus?
"This ancient greek mith begins with a king having a child."
Should be "This ancient Greek myth begins with a king having a child."
"The seeks out an oracle, an entity with absolute knowledge of the future, for exactly that."
Should be "He seeks out an oracle, an entity with absolute knowledge of the future, for exactly that."
"Said oracles makes a prophecy saying the child would grow up to kill his father and marry his mother."
Should be "Said oracle makes a prophecy saying the child would grow up to kill his father and marry his mother."
"Naturally this would never have happened without knowledge of the truth itself."
Should be "Naturally, this would never have happened without knowledge of the truth itself."
(..."Not often"? I hope that was just poorly worded.) OMG OST IS A MURDERER
Eh? Ost knows about JP? Suspicious...
"Mr. Leid was very likely a member of this money counterfeiting business." lol wut
"(I've never heard about this. Did the JP corporation really di such things, too?)"
should be "(I've never heard about this. Did the JP corporation really do such things, too?)"
Huh. Reaper is a third member of JP?
"(I think you may be terribly misinformed.)" Indeed.
But... If Ost is a member of JP... That would make sense why Tiefenheim is a butler here...
"They were suspicions, Mr. Night. I couldn't just neglect a good friend over some suspicions." The magical adventures of gender-bending Night.
"Anyway, with his arrest this whole business should be taken care of fittingly."
Should be "Anyway, with his arrest, this whole business should be taken care of fittingly."
Now, let's get Lira's fate. The one fate I didn't get earlier.
Judgement. It often has something to do with making a decision to leave the past behind once and for all. Something she doesn't want to face, something in her past has to be made a decision about.
"(What an unexpected card. I'd have expected something like the Justice arcana.)" I think BP made a comment about this earlier, didn't he?
Also, making a decision eh? MAYBE SOMETHING TO DO WITH PHILO?
Let's get Leid's fate again.
THe Hanged Man. A sacrifice is made to gain wisdom. The Hanged Man allows himself to be hung for it.
So, probably not guilty after all?
Let's get Ost's fate now.
The Tower. A sign of omen. It symbolizes a crashing disillusion following a sudden realization.
Missing a wait timer here.
But, let's move on with talking.
"MOMMY, HELP. THEY'LL LEAVE ME ALL ALONE IN THIS EERY ROOM." lol THough, I normally spell EERIE, not EERY. THough, google tells me both are correct.
"Mr. Ost! YOU'RE SO CUTE WHEN YOU LOOK LIKE THAT." OSTxTHAN, VERAxLUNA, SO MUCH DANG SHIPPING
"(R-Right... Tiefenheim is still here, too." Missing a close paren.
"In the holy name of Dine, b-begone!" lol, not KNox?
More 999 music.
Am I satisfied? Who is the one talking to Vera like this though?
WHO DO I WANT TO GO TO? LUNA PLS
SHIPPING VERAxLUNA pls
"We have him tied up for now, but this means there were no two murders after all."
Should be: "We have him tied up for now, but this means there weren't two murders after all."
"...I see. No second murder occured... That's fortunate." OMG LUNA IS THE MURDERER
"...but you are guaranteed they regret what they did, does death count as a way to redeem for their sins?" Four liner.
Also, dat philosophical Luna. :o
"(That was out of nowhere... I can't believe I'm complaing, but what's with all this philosophy?)"
Should be "(That was out of nowhere... I can't believe I'm complaining, but what's with all this philosophy?)"
"I'm feeling strangely tired. Too tired for... elaborations. I need some rest." Wha-what? Luna... Tired to elaborate?
GET AWAY FROM ME YOU FAKE LUNA
Oh joy, more nightmares. :/
Missing a name-tag on the "W-What?"
Also, what? Joseph? EEEEEEEEH?
Oh. The missing name tag is on purpose?
"What kind of joke is this? I don#t give a damn about your 'perfect' mystery anymore." Random hashtag pls
Oh. It doesn't matter what I choose. Lovely.
BUT I STILL HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON
"Save here if you want to resume later with your variables still intact. They can change the ending." MULTI ENDINGS? FUUUUUUUUU
I totally screwed up. D:
Spoiler : Theories :
Here's my crazy theory: Raven is Philo. I have no basis for this whatsoever but my gut.

As for the murders? I don't even wanna bother. Too much meta-confusion for me.

But, I love this case. It's such a beautiful deconstruction of a regular locked room.
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Not all of it!

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He's released all that's been released. xP

Oh, I remember what I actually wanted to post now.
Spoiler : Part 2 :
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I'm playing it and I have one thing to say.
Spoiler : :
KUTER EXXER RETURNS, YES YES YES YES
expected/10 much?

also I suspect Joseph to be Exxer
EDIT: I got more things to say.
Spoiler : :
KRASNAYA ARMIYA CHORNY BARON because every Russian is a communist Soviet who can't survive without marching and vodka
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Regarding your silly theories, I may or may not give misleading replies. Just putting that here so you can't rely on anything I say here. You've been warned. ^^
Spoiler : :
I mean, who'd even theorize here? The game totally explains who did it and what tricks they used, right?
DeeYo wrote:I'm playing it and I have one thing to say.
Then I have one thing to reply to.
Spoiler : :
KUTER EXXER RETURNS, YES YES YES YES
expected/10 much? You're welcome? To be fair, he may not actually be around and just mentioned for dramatic purposes. You'd just love me for that wouldn't you?

also I suspect Joseph to be Exxer
Seems legit
EDIT: I got more things to say.
Spoiler : :
KRASNAYA ARMIYA CHORNY BARON because every Russian is a communist Soviet who can't survive without marching and vodka
Of course. But at least this one is a little more stealthy about it compared to the one in Zeelkirby's case.
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Spoiler : MAJOR SPOILERS! :
LUNAS BI! LUNAS BI! LUNAS BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG!!!!!

Edit: NO VERA YOU MUST GO TO LUNA FOR ELABORATIONS! SO MUCH ELABORATIONS! SHE'LL ELABORATE JUST FOR YOOOOU!!!!
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enigma wrote:
Spoiler : MAJOR SPOILERS! :
LUNAS BI! LUNAS BI! LUNAS BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG!!!!!

Edit: NO VERA YOU MUST GO TO LUNA FOR ELABORATIONS! SO MUCH ELABORATIONS! SHE'LL ELABORATE JUST FOR YOOOOU!!!!
So apparently that turned into the highlight of the case.
Spoiler : also fyi :
The unnamed taxi driver at the beginning was totally Lionel. Just letting you know. CONVERGENCE.
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WOAH! He IS in every case!

Btw, can you make an adults-only version where you can make Vera and Luna elaborate together? :awesome: BECAUSE I SUPPORT THAT PAIRING! LunaXVeraOTP!
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enigma wrote:
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WOAH! He IS in every case!

Btw, can you make an adults-only version where you can make Vera and Luna elaborate together? :awesome: BECAUSE I SUPPORT THAT PAIRING! LunaXVeraOTP!
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Will do. If people throw me some *cough*cough* fanart I may consider a way to include it somewhere later on in the case...... :april:
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TO MY SKETCHBOOK!
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Also, the Lovers card has nudity. Not that I mind but, ehehehe, They Eyeball is always watching, you know? :awesome: Ehehehe... Maybe I should redraw that card with Luna and Vera as some fanart? :april:
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enigma wrote:TO MY SKETCHBOOK!
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Also, the Lovers card has nudity. Not that I mind but, ehehehe, They Eyeball is always watching, you know? :awesome: Ehehehe... Maybe I should redraw that card with Luna and Vera as some fanart? :april:
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Shhhh, I wasn't sure if people would mind and wanted to go with the original card designs for consistency. Now I might need to think of a non-silly way to censor it...
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Oh, I don't mind. I'm just wondering about the easily offended censor of AAO. The best non silly way would be to find a version with the leaves on like in Adam and Eve, I think. Still, leave it be unless He-Who-Alway-Watches complains.
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Damn. Somebody dropped some acid, man.

In any case, I was sort of caught off-guard with the whole confronation so my answers were kind of random.

My main suspicion lies with Vera herself, possibly a split personality. ...But that would be a bit too easy and obvious.

The alternative is that Joseph really did fake his death in the first crime, used a rope to go down to the room Leid was found in (actually, he might've just used it to switch between floors without anyone actually noticing) and set up the entire fake death scenario. Then he went up through the open window using the rope yet again.

The third possibility is the easiest - same trick for Leid's room, more or less, just the culprit is a person X that intentionally misinformed Joseph to lure him and kill him (this actually works for the Vera scenario, as well)

Stiil, under general thoughts - really well made! I can certainly see how this got first place.
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Blackrune case. ON IT CHIEF.
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Prologue: YAY VERA NIGHT. On a whole, opening is rather strong. The whole exposition about the Judgment Seekers certainly works, but honestly beginning a story with a bunch of exposition is slightly jarring. The writing in general, though, is quite good. You do a decent job at showing instead of telling (aside from one or two parts), and the dialogue is solidly written; the characters play off each other pretty well; you manage to even make two characters just sitting in a room chatting engaging enough to keep my interest. You also foreshadow with an impressively deft hand. The humor sprinkled throughout works relatively well; one or two jokes fell kind of flat in my opinion, but on a whole I found that when you tried to be more playful or funny, you did a solid to great job, depending on the situation.

The backgrounds look sophisticated and attractive, and on a whole I like the character designs- a couple of them are rather rough, but they overall look nice enough to not be distracted. The music I found rather low-key, and never truly defined any scenes for me, but they were nice pieces overall. I wouldn't necessary give accolades, but nor would I give complaints.

Gameplay is relatively minimal, which isn't surprising given its prologue status. The vast ability of presenting various profiles and items to a variety of people was pretty nice, although there are a couple people who I kind of wish I could have let Vira interact with (oh please, put her and Luna in a room alone for around 5 minutes...), but I certainly have no real complaints about the level of interactivity, really.

Characterization is quite good. Most of the new characters manage to be relatively interesting, though there are a few that don't have a good deal to them yet; I'm hoping to see them be fleshed out a bit more. I do like what you've done with Vera's character; she has far more depth than I honestly expected given the end of part 2 of Judgment Seekers, and makes an interesting and compelling protagonist. I just can't really get into Ms. Vainheim; even with her backstory, there's just something about her that grates a bit. It's not even anything I can pin down... more something intangible. Our personalities don't seem to quite click, I guess. It's nice to see Luna make a reappearance, and is around as entertaining as she was last time, if not, more so in more... unexpected ways.

The whole "tragic backstory" aspect of both Vainheim and Night is one that's been done before, but that isn't necessarily a strike against the way you write it in this story; it'll depend on how you deal with it. There are already some aspects that I like, and am quite intrigued as to where you are going. The plot is kind of bland at the moment (and honestly, those further locks just feel unneccesary and an additional contrivance from a realistic standpoint to me), but I'm very optimistic that it'll go places.

I won't deal with the typos- kwando has got much of that covered, although I did see some clunky verbiage and stilted wording that was kind of missed. But I don't have any specific examples off the top of my head at the moment. Which, to be fair, there weren't too many. And they weren't too obtrusive.

Part 1: I really liked the interactive aspects you gave this one. The locked room logic battle was fun- the exact trick with needle and thread I actually found slightly tricky to deduce just from visualization, and on a whole you really managed to drive home the intrigue you'd really started hinting at in the previous part. The writing is quite, quite good all around. When you aren't writing the mystery segments, you do a decent job with tension building, particularly when it comes to what's going on with Vera's (Seemingly) continually fragmenting psyche. You really did give it some color and the proper tone; I definitely have become very, very intrigued.

I do wish we'd gotten to spend a bit more time with some of the newer characters; we got a bit of an expansion on their personalities, but on a whole they really mostly remain a mystery. Oh well. The night's still young, I suppose? The massive character personality switch in Part 1 is... not entirely unwelcome, per se, but it felt like it turned somebody who was currently quite interesting and mysterious into another AA hyper-active piece on the gameboard, as it were. I want to see where you're going with that.

Admittedly I've only done the Luna route (?) thus far and I don't know if you get the unreliable perspective in the other ends, but it's quite, quite well written and thoroughly enjoyable.

Backgrounds remain good. There were some typos and clunky wording, but again, nothing particularly obtrusive. The music, however, did seem to have a spike upward in quality; I simply feel like it was far more present, and actually helped set the tone of its scenes far better in this part than in the last. The second locked room was, well, a let-down, but that's not only lamp-shaded, I'm sure there's a purpose behind it.
So, yeah. Pretty good case, and I'd say upper-tier work even for you, Rune, who I do have pretty high opinion of, as far as case-making is concerned.
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And you gave us Luna/Vera shipping. 10/10 best case on AAO ever.
I'd theorize, but I genuinely am still kind of thinking about that other one I'm obsessing over, and theorizing over two is apparently impossible for me. I'll get to this one quite soon, though.
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