StuDeeYo (Requests Closed)

[~Dataman~]

For some reason, I think of Death Eaters riding black horses while listening to this.
Pure awesomeness!

[DeeYo]

Ah I see, can you provide a MIDI file (with separate channels for the various notes) of the composition then? I think I can fix the issue with why it sounds too MIDI-ish if you give me the opportunity to check it out

Here it is. (I figured there is no reason to private chat it.) (Also the reason it sounds cut off at the end is because I planned it to loop.)

For some reason, I think of Death Eaters riding black horses while listening to this.
Pure awesomeness!

Thanks, Dataman!

[Phantom]

Here's the potential your song can sound like without sounding too MIDI-ish:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806 ... /deeyo.mp3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806 ... deeyo2.mp3

The things I added made the song sound like it was lacking alot of things (It was a hack job done in 5 minutes, and your drum channel was KILLING me hahahahaha). They can always be fixed later, but surely you see the *massive* difference in terms of instrumentation. Makes the composition sound really great

(Also I didn't bother trying to make it as AA sounding as possible, that would take more time to do properly)

[DeeYo]

Thanks Putin for your comments and that you took the time to revise my track! although I don't really like synths that muchalso the drum track WAS designed to kill people
I also have no idea why it sounded MIDI-ish in the first instrumentalization, but whatever #terribletasteinmusic
It's good to hear someone's opinion who's keen on the technical aspects of composing and who has a more decent soundfont than me.

[Phantom]

Oh the synths were just there to differentiate the channels. To be fair, it was difficult to figure out if something in your song was supposed to mimic a real instrument or an electronic instrument :X

I assumed this entire time you were just using MIDI instrumentations, not an actual soundfont, so whoops xP


Also I wouldn't call the soundfonts I have decent...I was relying more on effects manipulation than I was with any soundfont.

Next time, try adding some reverb to the entire master track, it'll at least lessen the hearing of your song being perceived as MIDI-ish.

But the point of the "revision" was just to show you that you need to get more out of the sound itself, that's all.

[DeeYo]

But I can't add reverb...none of the programs I use can do that. or they can, but I haven't figured out how. I'll have to ask Dan

[~Dataman~]

Here's the potential your song can sound like without sounding too MIDI-ish:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806 ... /deeyo.mp3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806 ... deeyo2.mp3

The things I added made the song sound like it was lacking alot of things (It was a hack job done in 5 minutes, and your drum channel was KILLING me hahahahaha). They can always be fixed later, but surely you see the *massive* difference in terms of instrumentation. Makes the composition sound really great

(Also I didn't bother trying to make it as AA sounding as possible, that would take more time to do properly)

I see what you were trying to do here, but...
...
I prefer the original. Reasoning:


Track 2: This has too much eerie in it. The main melody sounds blurred, and that's a shame. Also, the original was more intense, and made me better feeling.

Track 1: Mainly same problems, but in bigger scale. The piano isn't used as it was in the original song, and that wwhhhheeeeeeeee-sound makes me think of Pokèmon, what's no good.

[DeeYo]

The reason you prefer the original is probably because I wrote the song specifically for those instruments. Had I used these soundfonts instead, I'd probably have changed some things in the composition to fit them.

[~Dataman~]

True... but it doesn't change my opinions.

[Phantom]

Here's the potential your song can sound like without sounding too MIDI-ish:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806 ... /deeyo.mp3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/806 ... deeyo2.mp3

The things I added made the song sound like it was lacking alot of things (It was a hack job done in 5 minutes, and your drum channel was KILLING me hahahahaha). They can always be fixed later, but surely you see the *massive* difference in terms of instrumentation. Makes the composition sound really great

(Also I didn't bother trying to make it as AA sounding as possible, that would take more time to do properly)

I see what you were trying to do here, but...
...
I prefer the original. Reasoning:


Track 2: This has too much eerie in it. The main melody sounds blurred, and that's a shame. Also, the original was more intense, and made me better feeling.

Track 1: Mainly same problems, but in bigger scale. The piano isn't used as it was in the original song, and that wwhhhheeeeeeeee-sound makes me think of Pokèmon, what's no good.

You've missed the entire point of what I was trying to explain to Deeyo in a way that could be demonstrated instead of just words. It wasn't about making the song better that I saw fit. It was about trying to get rid of the composition of the MIDI-sounding aspects of the composition, since it doesn't sound like a real track: (The guitar, the sax, the piano, even the synth used sounds like it's just a MIDI instrument instead of coming from a soundfont...You can't deny this. That means low-quality instruments which hurts the composition in the long-run.)
The versions I came up with sounds like an actual track that just needs a bunch of tweaking and balance.
Also, I didn't use the exact same instruments on some of the channels that DeeYo used, since I didn't bother cross-referencing his track when I was trying to get the 2 examples done in the 5 minutes I was rushing to get done.

Also, everything you described in Track2/1 I can say the same thing about the original . I already acknowledged the ones I posted had blatant problems with them that made them sound like they it was lacking. But like I said earlier, that point is moot since I wasn't trying to make my own real version of the work. Just demonstrating the clear difference of why his sounds too MIDI-ish.

@DeeYo, keep up the good work, but definitely look into finding out how to do reverb (it's usually called Release for a specific MIDI channel). If you don't have any good soundfonts, that's okay, you can cover up the "issue" you have in the original with this particular effect. That's how a couple of prominent game systems like the NES/Sega Genesis made the music sound really great with their limited channel soundchips.

[~Dataman~]

Ah, I see. But I have one more question: Why is it bad to sound midish? Is this musical racism of some sort?

[DeeYo]

It is bad to sound MIDI-ish because you don't feel depth in the song. and because Putin is a musical racist

[Phantom]

Not only because you don't feel depth in a song (hence why it never has any real intensity), but from a producer's standpoint, it sounds completely fake. You couldn't even call that proper VGM music, or even a pop song. Oh and music is not a race so there can be no such thing as being a music racist...Unless you're racist to some ethnic musician

That's not to say songs with MIDI instruments are bad as a *reference guide* to get an idea of how it should sound, but to call them in itself a proper track is really outrageous.


Dan had similar issues with a bunch of his tracks he's made because of the exact same reason. His latest ones got really better though in terms of sound direction/design.

Btw, If you come out with more stuff like the last one Deeyo, I actually might be tempted to share some soundfonts (AA music data) with you so you can get the compositions you make to their full potential

[DeeYo]

Good news: I've found the reverb! Bad news: I can't use it properly, but you'll see that I found it.

Even better news: (depends on who you ask; for some it may be an ear-splitting nightmare) This.
(I'm planning to use that in a case.)
Notes:
1. I have no idea if the clavinet fits into the song or not. Opinions please. (The clavinet is the instrument that sounds like a clavinet.)
2. You can hear the reverb at the end of the song. (Also maybe some other places, but I fail at perceiving these kinds of things.)

[Esrom]

Legal double post! (not really, I just didn't want to edit my previous post.)
New songs!Everyone: Nobody cares!
Investigation (?) ~ Into the Eerie

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I like the first one. It conveys a sense of urgency, of a character who insists that you get right to the point, or of 'We've got a job to do here, so let's get to doing it'.

The second one sounds like the soundtrack to some small cafe or bar where there's live entertainment.