Ace Attorney 6
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Re: Ace Attorney 6
His chemistry with Athena is kind of the entire premise of my complaints with him existing, though
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Erm... Didn't Mia's... chest show that in the original trilogy?Lind wrote:Had a moment of fridge logic.
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Re: Ace Attorney 6
I'll give my two cents about the whole game here; 'cause why not. (Prepare for a full-on text wall review.)
Wow, that turned into more of a review than I thought it would. ![Lotta :lotta:](./images/smilies/aa_icon_lotta.gif)
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I've been replaying another game in the series lately, and some interesting notes relevant to AA6:
In short, Yamazaki wrote a melodrama.
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So, I didn't really know where else I could put this, so I decided I might as well put it here. What is it?
Calvinball's Big, Unscripted, Seat-of-His-Pants, Possibly Unhelpful Retrospective on Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice!
I just finished playing the game, sans the DLC case, and I've got a few thoughts rattling around in my head that I felt like sharing. Enjoy, or be neutral toward this, or neither, as you like.Spoiler : Spoilered for both length and, well, spoilers for the game! :
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SoJ was my second-least-favorite, ranking above DD. I've been planning to go through it again, and maybe it'll change my opinion?
I'd be curious if you could elaborate on Rayfa. I found her generic, as I never for a moment thought
I'd be curious if you could elaborate on Rayfa. I found her generic, as I never for a moment thought
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Enthalpy wrote:I'd be curious if you could elaborate on Rayfa. I found her generic, as I never for a moment thought
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I'll keep an eye out for that.
Also, I will give SoJ this:
Also, I will give SoJ this:
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Spoiler : on rayfa but not really im just talking about a general trend in AA :
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After replaying SoJ, I'm inclined to say that I disagree with both of you, but to explain why, I need to explain one of the worst parts of SoJ. Expect more to come!
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DD and SoJ were recently released on Android, so I played them. I'll write here my thoughts about them, because why not.
Short opinion: DD was mediocre, but I liked SoJ. Both suffer from shonen escalation problem (international scandals worked better in Edgeworth's games, due to his position), though SoJ made it more fun. Both also ignore most of AJ stuff, though SoJ actually returns to Gramarye plotline.
I find most of DD forgettable, though not as much as AAI. AAI had some cool characters, but it's hard to remember much more about it than "I had kinda different gameplay, we played as Edgeworth, and the final boss was loooooong". DD had a good villain in DLC, final boss was entertaining as a boss fight (not much as a character, but I filed the blanks with my headcanon of Phantom being TF2 Spy) and I liked Tenma as my client. And also I find Blackquill one of the best main prosecutors. He was entertaining, made good points, and could made my life miserable in a way that I loved it.
As for Athena, she was ok. Nothing great, nothing bad, though the Mood Matrix shouldn't be so forgiving (DD in general was constantly leading me by hand). I saw opinions that she was stealing the show, but I didn't really see it that way. If you want to see stealing shows, I would like you to replay AJ and notice how the game treats Apollo, the titular character who is supposed to be introduced and whose story we are supposed to follow, in comparison to Phoenix. Heck, I say that DD gave Apollo better story than AJ, because what was Apollo's story in AJ? Get burned by both his mentor and his idol on his very first trial, reluctantly join his not-so-great-anymore idol's office, and agree to help in clearing the idol's name after learning everything and sorting out their differences offscreen? Oh, and he has a half-sister and a mother he never learns about. DD does give Athena pretty big importance, but this is what happens during an introduction of the newest main character. Unless you are playing AJ.
And Phoenix does have own story in DD, though DD was pretty bad at telling it, while it also decided to simply soft-reboot his AJ characterization. And I'm surprised it decided to just ignore AJ, because all the elements necessary for a great followup from there were already here.
After writing tl;dr post about DD, I guess it's time I would write more in detail about SoJ.
Short opinion: DD was mediocre, but I liked SoJ. Both suffer from shonen escalation problem (international scandals worked better in Edgeworth's games, due to his position), though SoJ made it more fun. Both also ignore most of AJ stuff, though SoJ actually returns to Gramarye plotline.
I find most of DD forgettable, though not as much as AAI. AAI had some cool characters, but it's hard to remember much more about it than "I had kinda different gameplay, we played as Edgeworth, and the final boss was loooooong". DD had a good villain in DLC, final boss was entertaining as a boss fight (not much as a character, but I filed the blanks with my headcanon of Phantom being TF2 Spy) and I liked Tenma as my client. And also I find Blackquill one of the best main prosecutors. He was entertaining, made good points, and could made my life miserable in a way that I loved it.
As for Athena, she was ok. Nothing great, nothing bad, though the Mood Matrix shouldn't be so forgiving (DD in general was constantly leading me by hand). I saw opinions that she was stealing the show, but I didn't really see it that way. If you want to see stealing shows, I would like you to replay AJ and notice how the game treats Apollo, the titular character who is supposed to be introduced and whose story we are supposed to follow, in comparison to Phoenix. Heck, I say that DD gave Apollo better story than AJ, because what was Apollo's story in AJ? Get burned by both his mentor and his idol on his very first trial, reluctantly join his not-so-great-anymore idol's office, and agree to help in clearing the idol's name after learning everything and sorting out their differences offscreen? Oh, and he has a half-sister and a mother he never learns about. DD does give Athena pretty big importance, but this is what happens during an introduction of the newest main character. Unless you are playing AJ.
And Phoenix does have own story in DD, though DD was pretty bad at telling it, while it also decided to simply soft-reboot his AJ characterization. And I'm surprised it decided to just ignore AJ, because all the elements necessary for a great followup from there were already here.
- Dark Age of Law - this thing was vague as hell and poorly defined, but the idea of "lawyers have to use false evidence against false charges" just asked to bring up that this was exactly what happened in 4-1. Not to mention, the public opinion losing its trust in prosecutors was logical followup from all those scandals in original trilogy and Edgy's games (and they only mention Blackquill...). Phoenix cleared his own name, he once again was the famed attorney that exposed corrupted elements in the legal system. But in 4-1 he tricked Apollo into using fake evidence, which put Apollo at risk of having the public opinion turning against him. The possibilities were endless, but the writers abandoned them all.
- Phoenix and his subordinates - in AJ Phoenix flat-out manipulated Apollo into doing things that, while could be also called right things to do, were self-serving for Phoenix. Only on the last day of 4-4 he treated Apollo as a serious partner by telling him everything. And he did it offscreen. In DD Phoenix is back to business, and has two lawyers under him, and this time he is the one who has to help others. Aside from the DLC, all Phoenix's trials in DD were about him saving his subordinates. He takes over in 5-1 when both Apollo and Athena can't handle the trial, he takes over in 5-4 when Apollo is too injured to defend his lesser idol, he fixes what is broken between Apollo and Athena in 5-5. Not to mention, he finally stands on trial with Apollo on his side, for the first time since 4-1. DD wanted to do a story about regaining trust, while completely ignoring that its titular character was regaining trust the entire time.
- DLC - Phoenix having for his return to defend not only the accused, not only another accused, but also the man he himself accused could also be used to have him impress Apollo, and show that clearing his name was worth it.
After writing tl;dr post about DD, I guess it's time I would write more in detail about SoJ.
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